[Aa...] Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 I've got a 0.5 mm stylus in an inconvenient setup that keeps shanking out on the Ref Sphere. As I'm trying to qualify it, I keep decreasing the coverage angle, but I can't get it to stop shanking out. It's obvious that it's ignoring the coverage angle I've entered and substituting some default minimum value. Does anyone know anything about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Th...] Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 XXT? If you're not seeing a reduction in coverage it's because the passive head always does the full helix for the scanning bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ne...] Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 I had a similar problem with .5mm when I tried to qualify it on my scanning machine. When I moved from a CMM using a TP20 tip to CMM with XXT. The probe Shanked out. It doesn't seem as though the scanning reads the coverage angle. If this is happening to you, will need to change the reverence sphere angle or go to a smaller reference sphere. I was able to solve it by changing the reference sphere angle for this one probe. Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Also betting XXT. Assuming I'm right, You're likely using a probe with a length shorter than the radius of the calibration sphere. The solution is buy a smaller sphere. I went though this with a tiny M2 Threaded 10mm long 1mm ruby probe a few months ago. It's the length of the probe thats screwing you, not the size of the ruby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Aa...] Posted May 19, 2021 Author Share Posted May 19, 2021 Nope. XT Gold. Trying to use static Tensor mode to establish size on our 30mm ref sphere (the one that's part of the machine's calibration), and run Dynamic Tensor on our 8mm sphere to establish the dynamic bending parameters. That's generally our practice for smaller styli, where the stepped nature of the shank causes them to shank out on the 30mm. In this case, however, the direct shank is so short, as Michael points out, that it shanks out on the vertical portion of the system. It won't let me turn it down far enough to not shank out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Th...] Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Is there any downside to doing the full qualification on the 8mm sphere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Aa...] Posted May 19, 2021 Author Share Posted May 19, 2021 Yes. The 8mm ref sphere was not used in the calibration of the machine and provides no traceability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Aa...] Posted May 19, 2021 Author Share Posted May 19, 2021 Thanks to everyone who weighed in. Our local Zeiss dealer is very good and found the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Please sign in to view this quote. Is there a difference between Sphere Coverage and Taper Angle? If so, where do you find taper angle? When did that change? I've qualified several styli using less than 180° coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Aa...] Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 You're right, Tom. I believe they're the same thing. In the Probing System Qualification dialog, it's actually labeled "Sphere Coverage", and in the Stylus System Management dialog, it's labeled "Taper Angle, even though in the help for Probing System Qualification, they refer to it as "Taper Angle". Seems almost as confusing as including a blank for entering the sphere coverage that the software is just going to ignore. 😮 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Aa...] Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 Please sign in to view this quote. I wish I knew when it changed. What mode were you using? Are you sure you were getting less than 180 deg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Aa...] Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 Does anyone here know whether entering a taper angle of less than 180 in the Geometry of the stylus in the Stylus System Management and hitting "apply" will affect the behavior in a tensor qualification? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Please sign in to view this quote. I recall qualifying a R0.1 scribe point stylus about 2 years ago. I believe I had to use something like 30° sphere coverage. I seem to recall the angle on the graphic was wrong. I just kept reducing the sphere coverage until the S was reasonable and the radius was close to 0.1Screenshot 2021-05-20 111323.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Please sign in to view this quote. Your screen grab shows 240° but I think you need to be using less than 180° Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Aa...] Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 And I assume that your position gave you access to the latest version of Calypso at that time? Were you using Tensor or six point mode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Aa...] Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 Please sign in to view this quote. Indeed. The screen grab is from Planner and not connected to a CMM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Please sign in to view this quote. If it was 2 years ago, I'd have to guess it was around 6.6. VAST-XT Gold. Tensor. I never use 6 point because my understanding is that it does not calculate bending. I've seen posts from someone who swears by 6 point when qualifying 0.5 or smaller styli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Aa...] Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 Please sign in to view this quote. That makes no sense to me. If the shank is that small, there's bound to be some deflection. Do they also reduce the probing force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Please sign in to view this quote. I don't recall. I believe it reduced the breakage, according to the poster. Since Tensor defaults to taking 2 points, 1 at 200mN and 1 at 800mN, I can see where breakage might be less often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Aa...] Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 Well, this throws a wrench in things. I was just informed that someone here successfully reduced the coverage angle to 90 degrees on our machine running 2015. Edit: I attempted to reproduce this, and could not. So what versions ignore it, and what versions don't!? If I hit up the help in Calypso, is it specific to the version I'm running, or is it pulling the current version from the web? It would be extremely helpful if someone from Zeiss would tell us the expected behavior, here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Th...] Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 The help file is locally stored. It should be version-specific, although I suppose it's possible things get missed from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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