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Hello
If I change the setting for Tolerance from Number Scale to Absolute Value it only works on Custom Report
and not on Pi-Web Report.
Does anyone know where to change the setting so it works for Pi-Web Report as well.
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Hi
In the meantime I have installed Calypso version 7.0.02
PWB Plus 7.4.6.0 and when I select Absolute Value,
there is now coming an info who says
"PiWeb reporting does not support the amount mode"
So maybe that´s the reason.......

But thanks for your time. 🙂

Best Regards
Frank
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The Number scale mode is the default deviation calculation in CALYPSO.
If dimensions in a drawing will be checked based on a standard, e.g. ISO or ASME, the number scale tolerance mode must be used for a standard-compliant evaluation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observational_error
Measurement error is a term from Measuring technology or Metrology. The latest definition for it can be found in the International vocabulary of metrology. Measurement error is defined there as a difference: Measurement value minus reference value.[1][2]

International vocabulary of metrology
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_C ... _metrology
https://www.bipm.org/en/publications/guides/vim.html

What happens with the different calculation methods when comparing the coordinate deviation?
Assumtion:
Various parts are measured. The coordinates are always the same.
Example: X coordinate: actual: -74.881 nominal: -75.000.
Result with the same calculation method Number scale in PiWeb.
Nominal and actual from different system => The result is the same, with the same actual values. 882_468b231534e7a330c17a0928dc228c72.jpg

If you compare without PiWeb:
Result with different calculation method with Nominal and actual from different system
=> The result is different, with the same actual values.
X coordinate: actual: -74.881 nominal: -75.000 882_cd1d8217148b7124967314da8fba8bde.jpg
Question:
Do the parts fit together?
For the same measured values, scattering is generated by the different calculation method.
Is this correct for the production process?
What are the standards on the drawing? (ISO, ASME…)
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Of course it's not a good idea to mix up calculation methods (like in your second example). But what would prevent PiWeb from converting all the results to amount mode if this is the selected mode? That would eliminate the different deviation results as well.
Then everybody could select the mode that suits him/her best, like we did in Calypso for many years.

The fact is that Calypso supports amount mode and from that point of view, PiWeb reporting is not fully compatible. Many people are used to calculating in amount mode for decades, especially when all the drawings contain basic dimensions and not coordinate values. It's hard to teach them otherwise. If I suddenly confront my engineers with number scale results, they might correct their injection molds in the wrong direction, because they're used to the old calculation method. Many of them don't even know there exists another method, nor do they know or care much about ISO or ASME. They just want to know if and by which amount they need to correct. That's the main reason why I still use the old custom report, despite all the nifty visualization tools of PiWeb.
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Digital data exchange in Industry 4.0 requires standards: These methods are defined in ISO and ASME. Digital data exchange between companies is already possible today. This assumes that the same deviation is calculated for the same actual and nominal value. This is a prerequisite for using the ISO / ASME.

A uniform format is required for global comparability of measurement values. Number scale is required to compare measurement results from different workpieces or different measuring systems around the world.
PiWeb reporting is an element of the PiWeb product line. PiWeb can evaluate and compare results from different measuring systems all over the world. To obtain consistent evaluations, the standard number scale deviation calculation must be used.

For globally comparable deviation calculations, the corresponding standards (ISO, ASME…) must be met.
This requires the CALYPSO default setting Number scale tolerance mode

The amount tolerance mode was originally made to get the deviation in vector direction on curved sheets. There is now the “Space Point Distance" available. This works in Number scale mode

Based on ISO / ASME:
What is the deviation, if you have:
X coordinate: actual: -74.881 nominal: -75.000

What is the deviation of a “Position” if you have:
X coordinate: actual: -74.881 nominal: -75.000

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observational_error
Measurement error is a term from Measuring technology or Metrology. The latest definition for it can be found in the International vocabulary of metrology. Measurement error is defined there as a difference: Measurement value minus reference value.[1][2]
International vocabulary of metrology
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_C ... _metrology
https://www.bipm.org/en/publications/guides/vim.html
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