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I'm having issues inspecting cylindrical parts as the one shown below & I believe it is everything to do with my Base Alignment. The issue is when I'm checking Positions & Runouts with the part sitting Horizontally instead of Vertically due to datums on the print. Does anyone have any suggestions for the alignments when inspecting Horizontally?

For my Horizontal alignment I just used the -A- face & the -B- bore as a simple alignment, same for Vertical. I'm thinking I should be doing multiple circles and then creating a 3D Line to use as my Spatial in the Base Alignment.

Please help.
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I was told to be cautious using the Step Cylinder in the Base Alignment as the space axis and inadvertently flip causing a lot of issues.

Since the Base Alignment should only be used for part alignment, I'd suggest the 3d Line over the Step Cylinder.
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Richard will be right.

Consider using a 3d line constructed from B-D as your spatial and primary datum. Justify this by also reporting the perp of that line back to datum B. Your argument would be that the using B-D as your primary is functionally the same as using AB as primary. And since you are not using the datums as designed, your supporting document for this would be to reference ASME B89.7.2-2014.

CMM-GDT_Measurement_Planning_Hand-Out.pdf

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What makes this a "long" cylindrical part? Datum A appears to be almost as large as the length of the part. This seems like it should be adequate reliably define the orientation and a simple circle in B should adequately define the other two origins for the base alignment. What am I missing here?
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I thought so too and I got .0013 on True Position sitting the part Horizontally and .0003 in Vertically.

It may have something to do with the accuracy of my probes at 90° as well, they are a little longer than the max requirement.
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No I wouldn't recommend using a disk probe to measure .001 runouts unless you have a disk that is 3MM diameter or below. We don't have disks that small. I manually calibrate my disk probes to within .00001in and I never have accurate results for runout or roundness using a disk.

I've tested this by comparing the results on a master ring gage with my 3mm standard probe, which is my most accurate.

As far as inspecting it, we have a Jig Bore setup out in the shop that we have the operators use to indicate parts for inspection, it has a DRO and everything, very useful.
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I would have done with disc probe, my customers will not accept manual inspection, as far as they are concerned CMM is the almighty 🤬 . If you were talking about 1/10 rule, you have 0.0254 runout and disc probe will have 3 to 4 micron error, so it will be a see saw condition....
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Good luck with that one my friend. I learned as much as I could with disk probes as far as calibrating them and proper usage and when it came to form dimensions, my disk probes are unreliable.

The cookbook also states the max sizes per bore for form and location as well.
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