[Cl...] Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 The print calls out true position for two OD's interrupted by a smaller OD. It also calls out straightness for the same OD's, but doesn't state 2x. I'm assuming it is 2x, because the positions are? Might be a stupid question, but it doesn't state 2x. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 or is it meaning more of a concentric callout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Cl...] Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 I don't necessarily agree with the straightness callout. I don't know how the part functions (used in brain surgery) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Da...] Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Would it need to say 2 X if you're checking one to the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. I thought straightness couldn't be evaluated relative to a datum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Cl...] Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 The position of the (2) OD's is called back to the ID datum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Da...] Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I think they are asking for an axial (bend) check. There is no datum reference on the straightness call out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I think strictly based on what's on the print, it applies only to one OD. It might be that they want both to be measured, or that they want both to be evaluated as one feature, but that would need to be clarified with the designer/draftsman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Cl...] Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 So, it's 2x? I've always reported it twice. I just had to question it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Da...] Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 It applies to the centerline of the part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Cl...] Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 The ID is Datum -A- which has its own straightness callout (Ø .0005 M/2.0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ma...] Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. I agree with this. I interpret as centerline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Cl...] Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 So you think they want the straightness of the OD (centerline) 1x? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Da...] Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. I do, We get this all the time. Straightness of one side without relating it to the other side wouldn't help create a straight part. You could have a huge bend between sections that wouldn't show if each side was separate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 The way the print is dimensioned, I read this as 2x TP callouts, and 2x Straightness callouts and I believe it is because it is directly below the circled OD, no different than a TP for a bore & counterbore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Da...] Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Actually it is not to the centerline of the PART, but the derived median line of the FEATURE its self. So if you want to call it two readings ( two separate Features with two separate median lines ) then I could bend the relief area between diameters to 90 degrees and still get two readings that are good for straightness ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Cl...] Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 It seems we have a few different opinions. Without knowing the function of the part as it applies to that OD. The best we can do is speculate. We make several of his type of guide. I'm told that they are used for cranial (brain) surgery, and its done robotically. So with that in mind, does that help make the decision on the callout easier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I was under the assumption that you were asking what the print meant. If we're talking what it should be and interpretation then I definitely would go with the straightness as one centerline or maybe even a composite TP instead of straightness and remove the 2x. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Cl...] Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 Yes, I am asking what the prints is asking for. Sorry for the confusion.I was just trying to give a better idea of what the part does and how it might function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Cl...] Posted July 30, 2020 Author Share Posted July 30, 2020 I spoke with the engineer about this. Some sort of device gets inserted into the part ID, then the part gets inserted into some other ID for robotically guided surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. I hundred percent agree with your words it is two feature with true position and straightness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. Straightness is a form tolerance and there is no need of the datum for straightness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 The 2X denotes a pattern. It's 1 feature consisting of both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. This is where interpretation is relied upon the most. I can't find anything in the standard that backs up that this particular instance is a Pattern. The standard mostly explains patterns in regard to bolt circles or groups of features of size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 That diagram does not look like a pattern, it is something like co axial?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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