[Er...] Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Management needs to know that the curve training is not a waste of time or money, so please post a rating or opinion if you feel so inclined. They purchased the Curve and Free form license, but not sure if spending the money on the training is worthwhile. Thanks in advance for any responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Je...] Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I took the training in Brighton, MI a few years ago. I found the training useful as most of the curve features are not intuitive. I would definitely recommend it. Especially if you are using an active scanning head there is quite a bit of info to learn that you wouldn't otherwise just "find". I use an RDS XXT so quite a bit of the reverse engineering functions are nerfed due to the passive design of the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. That's like buying a new car and complaining about gas prices. Whatever time you spend jerking around trying to figure it out will exceed training course fee in short order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 ^ This X 1,000 Curve is a whole new universe unto itself. Basic curve stuff is fairly simple but it goes deep if you really get into it. There are so many little things to learn you'll save tons of time by taking the class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Funny... Im leaving Sun to drive up to see Ryan S and do a week of Curve and FF. I spent 6k on the upgrade and I cant see why you would not get training. I have never used either with calypso. Looking forward to learning something new and to expand my Calypso knowledge. Plus I get 5 days out of this lab. I could not see unloading 6k and not get training. How else can you learn it? Just my 0.02 🤠 If you have an SMA you get a big ol 10%. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ke...] Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 3 days of training vs weeks of head-scratching is a no brainer for the programmer. Getting the most out of the 6K investment should be a no brainer for the company as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Curve & Curve Training is worth every single cent if your company is in the Profile business. I've been to the training twice, one was a refresher coarse because first I took it 15 years ago. Specifically tight tolerance Profiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ow...] Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Unfortunately, some companies invest a lot of money in capital expenditures but, don't invest in their employees. _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. Another fantastic tool is CAD evaluations of complex surfaces. You can use the color gradient map and SHOW where deviations are and their value. This is an efficient communication method that facilitates decision making and troubleshooting. If you are in the business of making a product, you are in the business of improving the product. I often use profile or other characteristics of form for the sole purpose of communicating my results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Am...] Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. Its insane man, my company decided to go all in on the Zeiss train and got rid of all the renishaw cmms we had, was putting in orders for several Zeisses and dragged their feet for a year and a half over the freaking training which is free with the purchase by the way all they had to do was re-reimburse my travel. I ended up learning the software through working with it, this community, the old eLearning portal and luckily I ran into some people that had a lot of experience and were able to make some time to come check out what I was doing. By the time they were ready to do the training It was absolutely useless to me and I had to go because the BASIC is a pre-req for all the other classes also now it wasn't free because it took that long. On top of it now that I wanted to purchase some of the eLearning modules that are like $150 its taking forever, yet no problem when I put in a order for 10 .8mm probes because brand new operators ran through the last 10 replacements within 2 months. Its absolutely insane. They are now at a point where they have 7 Zeiss machines 1 guy who knows how to program anything past the most basic of parts, or set up new probes, set up the Zeisses with their network servers, their charting software. I can't imagine how that might go wrong, so i've just been buying the training myself and going on my time and collecting those certificates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. Do you have a Cookbook? If not I would suggest buying that it's extremely useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ro...] Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Yes, it is worth it. How the heck else are you supposed to know how to use your new thing if they dont send you to training? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I must be one of the lucky ones as the company I'm with has sent me to every class I have asked for. Aukom I & II, Piweb, Curve,FF and I been approved for Aukom III when they open up a class. Like others have said, at some point you have to invest in your employees in order to grow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ch...] Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I too feel like one of the lucky ones. I almost never get told no when I want training or supplies. If only more companies would give the person who actually does the job more control over what they need. I'm torn on the utility of the curve training. For me, I didn't get much out of it. My case might be different. We do turbochargers and superchargers and use curve on almost everything. By the time I got to training I had so much experience using it that I felt training was watered down. As if there needs to be an advance curve class or something. I feel like I learned exponentially more about curve by just using it, making mistakes, and looking here on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ow...] Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I will say that even though it may cost more $ and can be troublesome if you don't have 3 days of 100% access on one of your CMM's, ....having somebody come to your place of business for on-sight training is hard to beat because, you get to focus on your applications and not stuff you may never check. Regardless of where the training takes place, it will be well worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Er...] Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. I couldn't agree more. Have 3 days without interruptions would be invaluable time to learn, rather then fighting through all the interruptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Am...] Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I do have the cookbook I bought one right away when we got a Zeiss, and i've gone to trainings but it was always after already knowing the material and feeling like I didn't learn anything because how late into it I went to get training. I've had better luck paying for the applications engineer to come on site and basically validate some of the more complex programs and getting to ask questions while he's here. Which is a lot more expensive honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. is it zeiss cookbook really helpfull?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Am...] Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. I found it pretty useful early on, it basically is a good general guide on what strategies to use for what you are trying to accomplish. Lists the speed, point density, min points per circle and angle range, size of stylus tip and evaluation settings to use depending on what you are measuring and size of the feature. For example if measuring a shaft you have a basic table that shows how many circle paths to use in the cylinder depending on the shaft length in relation to diameter, <1x diameter is 1 circle, 1-3x diameter is cylinder with 3 circle paths that is for location. This table is different depending on if you are looking for location, 2d position, geometric form, diameter(functional), Diameter(process control). Its really handy to use and eventually you get a feel for the general rule of thumb and the pattern of the measurement strategies and evaluation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Am...] Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 You can look at a preview of the cookbook on Google Books before buying it, it will let you look through a limited amount of pages. https://books.google.com/books?id=igUmD ... &q&f=false Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Returned from the Curve FF training with Ryan in NC. Very informative. I learned a lot about curve and FF. Looking forward to using both here and work. Ryan's office does it right. Good people up there! SO, I'd say most deff get the classes. Why struggle. Hell our jobs are hard enough as it is...…... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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