[Ri...] Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 We want to upgrade our PC's from the basic models to not quite ready for prime time models. 🤣 . Looking for advice on best cost to performance PC's. Basic specs I thought of are: 1. Minimum i7 core CPU 2. Minimum 32gb DDR4 ram 3. A video card that can handle models from simple to quite complex. My budget depends on cost (That's bean counter lingo for "where you getting that much money?") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Er...] Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I never tought I would say this, but AMD ryzen 5 3600. Can't beat that price/performance. Actually, the Core-series doesn't make sense any more.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Is...] Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 We generated a test program based on our needs (only PCM and curves)... and we found a relative cheap configuration from DELL with similar performance than the ZEISS HP offers. The test is performed after to restart the computer and the program is executed more than twice to consider the smallest calculation time. I would say that with other functions like CAD manipulation works OK too but I don't have an indicator for that. DELL Precision 3431 Intel Xeon E-2224G, 4 Kerne, 8 MB Cache, 3,5 GHz, 4,7 GHz Turbo mit UHDGrafik 630 16 GB DDR4-UDIMM (2 x 8 GB), 2.666 MHz, NVIDIA(R) Quadro(R) P620, 2GB, 4 mDP to DP Adapter SATA-HDD, 3,5 Zoll, mit 1 TB und 7.200 U/min Windows 10 Pro for Workstation (up to 4 Cores) Calypso 6.6 Cost:€ 805 Calculation time: 234 seconds Other results to compare: 2019 HP Workstation ZEISS order no.: 614303-9089-002 (not sure about this order number) Intel(R) Xeon(R) W-2123 CPU @ 3.60GHz 3600 Mhz RAM 64GB PCIe 1st SSD Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise 2016 LTSB Version: 6.2.9200.0 Platform: Win32NT Calypso 6.6 Calculation time: 256 seconds 2015 HP Workstation ZEISS order no.: 614303-9089-002 (not sure about this order number) Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-1620 v3 @ 3.50GHz 1995 Mhz RAM 16GB SATA-HDD Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Version: 6.1.7601.65536 Platform: Win32NT Calypso 6.6 Calculation time: 267 seconds ?? HP Workstation ZEISS order no.: 614303-9089-002 (not sure about this order number) Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU W3520 @ 2.67GHz 2634 Mhz RAM 6GB SATA-HDD Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Version: 6.1.7601.65536 Platform: Win32NT Calypso 6.6 Calculation time: 440 seconds Precision T5600 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2630 0 @ 2.30GHz 1200 Mhz RAM 32GB SSD Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise Version: 6.2.9200.0 Platform: Win32NT Calypso 6.6 Calculation time: 785 seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ow...] Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 For what it's worth, I just ordered this one from Zeiss. I run Calypso, Solidworks and a lot of network applications all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Is...] Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. That WS is in my data table,.. in my case the DELL Precision 3431(€ 805), performs better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. I'm not certain I believe that. The HP has a SSD as the primary drive while the Dell has a SATA. The video card, and the RAM are beefier on the HP as well. The HP workstations are nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Er...] Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. Did you even read his answer? I'll say clock speed of RAM is crucial in his case. Not how much you have. And the ssd is of no importance there. As he said: in my case Any how, most bang for the buck, ryzen. Better performance per dollar. Its a fact, not an opinion. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Is...] Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. We dont use it for other significant purposes, only PCM and curves.... I can share the program with you if you are interested to test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... 037,125036 The processor is better on the HP. The RAM is the same, just more - which helps with more loading. The graphics card has more RAM - which helps with the ACIS kernel not over-loading the system. I struggle with the comment of the SSD is of no importance. SSD is king when it comes to read/write speeds which is exactly what is going to be going on with PCM and Curve. My point is at the end of the day the HP is a very nice system, and worth the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 My boss has been nice and buying the Zeiss setups recently. But in the past I just matched apples to apples with Dell/HP. Beat the Zeiss price by $1,000.00. The down side is all the configuration is on you. Plus any gliches are on you since it's not their comp. They can be nice and work through some minor issues but beyond that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 One other thing. I saw the talk about SSD vs. HDD. maybe I'm out of the loop but there is size restrictions. SSD is what 256, 512? The HDD are up to 2 terabytes. My workstation from Zeiss has a 256 primary and a 2 terabytes secondary. So my SSD fills up fast. I moved cad, inspection, and basesystem folders to the 2 tera. but still the SSD fills up. But like I said I haven't paid that much attention to the technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Is...] Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. 🤣 We just have bought 7 WS from ZEISS thinking the Same.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. I've seen SSDs up to 4TB, but they are costly. The SSD in the primary drive should be used for the installation of software, and the data files should be saved on the secondary drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Is...] Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Here the program in case someone wants to check (as i said only PCM and curves):Curve_PCM_Performance_v19NOV2019_2.7z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Th...] Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. That might be what Zeiss specs the HP workstations with, but Crucial makes a 2TB SSD for $230. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 We upgraded 2 years ago to a Dell Precision 5810. Works great on our Contura as well on Acura. It had the right video card. beyond that I'm assuming they're all the same under the 5810 model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. Thank you for the information, highly appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. I've been an AMD fan since the 386 market. 😱 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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