[Cl...] Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 One of our Calypso programmers (former) just got hired in southern Florida as a (PC DMIS) programmer for $30.00 hr. They are sending this person to school. Are programmers that hard to find? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[sh...] Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Yes, as you are witnessing most Baby boomers retire, also companies are realizing in order to have decent quality in your product you have to pay for it. There also are no programs in place to teach anyone about CMM programming within most companies I personally feel that anyone in quality now falls within the category of skilled trades as tool and die makers etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ro...] Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Hope so. Id like to think that the career i stumbled upon 10 years ago is something that could leverage in the future. BTW, Based on personal experience i think it would be much easier for a calypso programmer to learn pcd than the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Am...] Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Yeah its starting to be that way, every place I see hiring for Programmers has the positions up for a long time and every interview I've gone to in the last year the employers have come off very desperate. What Im seeing is a lot of places had 1 guy that took care of it all and with the market starting to grow when those guys leave (and people are leaving because they are getting the pay they ask for) they are left with a bunch of CMMs that no one knows how to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Al...] Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Please sign in to view this quote. Shane, I totally agree. Especially with the newer technologies out there like CT and Blue light laser CMM's. Just had one of our parts checked on a Metronome and I was in absolute awe of what I saw. The capabilities I saw with that demo had my head reeling for days after. The potential uses seem unlimited. I'm very fortunate to be with a large company that values Quality and has supported me with all the training I needed over the years. I'm one of those baby boomers, I'm semi-retired working part time. Much of what I am doing is knowledge transfer and getting others the training I had. I can only wish others can be as lucky and fortunate as I have been the last 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[sh...] Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Please sign in to view this quote. I've used PcDMIS, CMM Manager, QC5000 Quadracheck, GeoPak, and AVAIL Softwares. Calypso is by far the easiest and most user friendly software I've encountered. I'm hooked, the next job I take will also depend on if they have Calypso or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Cl...] Posted September 9, 2019 Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 Last time we tried to hire a new programmer, it took almost a year to find a qualified person. I'm afraid that will happen again. Right now, It's me and another guy doing the work of three. We'll manage, but not without lots of OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 It's a genuine sellers market right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Am...] Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Please sign in to view this quote. Plus the difference between someone who can make a program run and complete and someone who can interpret the results and provide relevant information to machining and getting the right end result is huge. My experience has been even people with a quality background dont really have a strong understanding of metrology and for the most part can't distinguish between "bad" data or dont care enough to look into why they get differing results with different methods of measurement. For the most part you just have to go with someone who seems promising and teach them the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I'm getting calls from basically every state every single day. I would say it is 100% hard to find 'Competent Programmers'. Every company I've worked for so far seems to have this same problem... We're still looking at my current job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ro...] Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 If anybody wants to hit the road, i get emails like this almost weekly. Job title: CMM Calypso Programmer Positions-Guaranteed $2,295/week! Company: PMG, Inc. Greetings from the Technical Solutions Team at PMG!! PMG is currently seeking CMM Programmer with the ability to program, setup and operate CMM equipment with Calypso Software, for our client serving the Aerospace industry. This is a client with a great facility and great culture, providing you the opportunity to perform programming and operation of CMMs with a well-known, highly-acclaimed company. This is a 2-month contract opportunity with a client located in California. We cover all travel and lodging expenses and can guarantee you a minimum of $2,295/Week! Compensation details are outlined below: • Wage: $36/hour & OT rate after 40 • Per Diem: $45.00/day ($315/Week-Tax Free) • Lodging: Paid by PMG (Single Occupancy Hotel Room) • Travel: Paid by PMG (Mileage reimbursement at $0.58/mile) • Weekly Guarantee: 50 hours per week, minimum • Location: California If you’re interested in hearing more, please reply back with your name and current contact information, and we will reach out to you as soon as possible! Thanks, and we hope to be working with you soon! Technical Solutions Team PMG, Inc. Direct: (866) 522-6701 Fax: (952) 487-2357 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ke...] Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I have only worked with Zeiss/Calypso (10yrs & counting!). Typically, the jobs I have transitioned into were looking for someone for a few months. My presumption has been that programmers for PC DMIS are more plentiful, while Zeiss/Calypso is more of a niche skill set (?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ro...] Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Please sign in to view this quote. I would agree with that. without any data to support my feeling, i think PCD is more plentiful in the world. PCD now has scanning heads, but for decades they used simple TP20 Renishaw modules. its almost open source as those modules also appear on probably 50 other manufacturers machines, including old Zeiss manual machines. Don't get me wrong, i've seen first hand that tp20 and a good program is incredibly reliable and repeatable to the .0001" inch. Thats a big reason that i trust touch points so much in Calypso. We have Zeiss Conturas in my corp primarily due to customer requirement (and a former QM who just thought they were superior) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Please sign in to view this quote. 🤣 Why do you say that. Most pcd programmers that I know say that Calypso is much easier to program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Cl...] Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 Please sign in to view this quote. Yep, I just got this same e-mail last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Am...] Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I've had that same e-mail a couple weeks ago. I personally can't do a job without a permanent location so I did not look into it any further. seems like they are really in need though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ro...] Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Please sign in to view this quote. Just my personal experience, and what i've gained by trying to teach PCD programmers to program calypso. I would say that setting up a 3,2,1 alignment and running some tp's and distances, Calypso is the easier program. when it comes to profiles, PCD beats Calypso by a good amount. creating a scan to go around the perimeter of an uneven shape, creating a profile of a surface out of several 3d shapes (plane, cone, cylinder), explaining how you need to use curve for line profiles and FF for surface profiles (2 seperate sub programs, each with a 5 day class to learn how to use it), having to massage point density for filtering to work correctly, you cant create a feature control frame or have it appear on the report, you can't add modifiers, sometimes need to add a tertiary datum for results to calculate, Display arrows beneath the surface (Min) are only visible in wireframe, they can't be seen behind adjacent surfaces....... i mean that's just what i've noticed. Hows come FF cant find its way around a corner? why do i have to create 2 smaller sections then stitch them together? (pictured) Have you ever had to swap a model? is there any single tool in all CMM-dom as great as the PCD "binocular tool"?gtjklfgdjkl.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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