[La...] Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 I do not remember ever seeing a True Position Datum called out like this (D-B), with D-B being in the same square, before. Both D and B are Planes. My only thought would be to use an intersection between the planes as the datum. So how is the correct way to apply this with Calypso? Datum_D-B.doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Br...] Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 This is just taking multiple datum features and combining them as a single datum feature. This is mostly used to take two coaxial cylindrical datum features to combine them and create a single feature axis, or Co-planar Datum features, and treat them as a single plane. Sounds like you have the later but I can't see it on the picture you provided. If you have two planar datum features, just simply treat it as a single plane. In Calypso, you can either measure both in a single strategy with two different paths, or you can measure them as separate features and recall feature points into one single plane. If they aren't co-planar, it gets trickier.Capture.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Interesting callout. -D- is the primary and a co-secondary datum. Can't see the print, but I wonder how it's controlling translation twice? If -D- is controlling 3 DOF what DOF are D-B controlling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[La...] Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 A Calypso view of the part. Datum D is the larger face with the 4 threaded holes that are called out, and Datum B is the smaller face.Datum_D-B-1.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 -D- constrains 3 DOF. B alone constrains the same 2 DOF as using D-B as co-datums. D does nothing as a co-datum. I don't get it. I must be missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Br...] Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Please sign in to view this quote. Those datum features aren't co-planar. I cant really make much of sense out of it. Part of me thinks they just want Datum B to be the secondary. It's hard to tell what the intent here is. Larry, Is there a basic dimension defining the angle of the two planes from one another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Even if you considered D-B as a mathematically defined surface, point cloud, whatever, D still does nothing as a co-datum because it's already constrained as the primary. It's can't go anywhere. Check it as D-B-C and call it a day. It's hard to tell if D and B are perpendicular to each other from the image. If they aren't then I would surmise they did the co-datum because they didn't realize/understand you can have a secondary datum that isn't perpendicular to the primary and thought they needed to use both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[An...] Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Please sign in to view this quote. They are not perpendicular. The designer is pointing out the intersection line although it makes no difference if you regard B or D-B. See attached.Contribution_24_05_2019.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[La...] Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 I'm sorry I have not responded before now. I got very busy and didn't have time to look at the responses after my last post...Andreas is correct in that B and D are NOT perpendicular to each other. My thoughts were that the intersection between B and D would be the D-B call out, but from what I am hearing, B will be the secondary datum for this True Position.D-B Print.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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