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I have been working with Calypso 5.2 for several months now, after coming from a PC-dmis background. I have learned how to do loops when aligning the part, but can anyone tell me why it does not sometime save this as as a (CNC) version of the program? Is there some methodology I am not following as sometimes I do get a (CNC) version of the program. Sorry Zeiss forum this Software seems to be frustratiing some days!

Thanks

Anthony Kelly | 26.03.2018 19:08 |

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You're saying "(CNC) version of the program" but it sounds like you're referring the Base Alignments.

When you create a base alignment from features that you've measured, or if you execute a manual alignment, this alignment is stored in the basesystems folder under the program name.

When you run the program a second time, in the cnc mode, using this "named" alignment, it creates another folder in the basesystems folder using the program name followed by (cnc).

These 2 alignment types are save automatically, not by saving the program.

When you run a program, you have the choice to run either of the alignments. They are strictly a choice to run the program at the last known manual alignment or the last known cnc alignment.

Typically, it will remember which one you ran last. If you save the program, it will save that choice for future runs.

So, to re-cap. The first time you run a program, there will only be one choice. After the first time, there will be a second (cnc) choice. Again, these are only "maps" of where the part was located at either the last known manual alignment or the last known (cnc) alignment. In either case, it will execute an alignment in the cnc mode once it gets there.

Tom Oakes | 26.03.2018 20:02 |

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Hi Tom, thanks for your reply. I just wrote a simple program now to check a part I saved it in a location. I did the manual alignment and then I told it to run in cnc mode remeasuring the features in the same order that I did it the manual alignment. I came out of the program and then went back in to it but I don't see the two different versions you are talking about.

Thanks

Anthony

Anthony Kelly | 26.03.2018 20:34 |

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So, in the RUN window, on the left side, under Base Alignment, you don't see two alignments (3rd one down and 4th one down)? One with (cnc) and one without?

Tom Oakes | 26.03.2018 21:29 |

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On some programs yes I do see that, I'm just thinking is this a one time deal. What I mean is that if i save the program just temporarily and then go in and save it as another with the correct information on the program in the title, I cant do that? Meaning save the program only once?


Anthony Kelly | 26.03.2018 22:31 |

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I am a bilingual programmer as well, i started in Calypso but learned PC-Dmis about 5 years ago.
While im not proficient in PCD, its def not my first language, i can do most things at a certain level of discomfort.
The 1 thing i learned very early on is that PCD & Calypso are 100% different from each other, and this is done by both companies very deliberately. Its not like autocad to Solidworks where as long as you know the basics you can "Learn as you go" and sort of teach yourself on the fly because of a level of logic or reason built into the program. They both intentionally make things difficult.
Sorry i cant help you on this particular issue, but im sympathetic to your situation.

Roberto Flores | 27.03.2018 05:16 |

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The biggest difference in my simple opinion is that DMIS is a procedural language, and Calypso is based on OOP. And that makes Calypso so much more dynamic and that's confusing when you are used to DMIS and vice verse.

(Except for GUI differences of corse.)

Eric Moberg | 03-27-2018 10:59 AM |

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Hi Tom,
What is difference between auto alignment and Auto CNC alignment. Which one to use and when?

Thanks,

Dilipkumar Shah | 03-27-2018 01:32 PM |

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For clarification, I don't understand the term "auto alignment" or "Auto CNC alignment". These are not terms used in Calypso.

Whenever you run a program, you're running a CNC program. The choice in the Base Alignment dropdown menu in the RUN window is merely choosing a location for where to go look for the part and execute a base alignment.

If I make the assumption that when you say "auto alignment", you're referencing the Base Alignment without (cnc) and when you say "Auto CNC alignment", you're referencing the Base Alignment with (cnc), I prefer the first one because it does not change with every run. For most people with a reasonable set-up, I would argue that it doesn't make a difference.

If you fixture the part and the fixture positively locates on the base alignment features, I feel the advantage goes to the (cnc) alignment, as my base alignment is going to be done on features that are not moving around. An example of a base alignment feature that does move around would be when you sit the part on the table, but you're Spatial and Z Origin are on the top of the part. The top of part is going to change from part to part due to manufacturing variation. So, a fixture that locates on the top of the part means the top plane will be in the same position with every run.

My 2 cents.

Tom Oakes | 03-27-2018 01:49 PM |

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I'm your mirrored counterpart, Roberto. (started in PCD...and 10 years later... introduced to Calypso)
The two are definitely different animals, both quite capable and powerful.
My biggest obstacle has been in the terminology each uses. simpleton example: in PCD it's generic features - in Calypso it's theoretical ones. And I know what I want is somewhere in Calypso, it's just trying to locate it.
Personally, I'll give PCD the nod for the help files. A little more user-friendly than it's counterpart.
But make no mistake... I feel both are left deliberately incomplete in order to 'nudge' the user to get additional training.
(Tom O --- i'm pestering my boss for the Advanced course. Hope to see you soon!) 😎

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I have about 12 years experience with Calypso and about 3 with a version of PCD. I'm massively in favor of Calypso because of Curve & the way you can create features using the slice method. I know you can slice on PDC (we have Nikon Camio) but it's such a pain in the rear to do compared to Calypso. I'm not even sure we have the most up to date UI for Camio because I'm literally staring at and manipulating code all stinking day and let me tell ya, it's way less interesting than Calypso, especially when you're looking for an issue like a typo in a code or something small causing an error in your program.

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I went from Measure Max to Calypso. 🤣