[To...] Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) I am measuring profile of 5 separate surfaces on my part with are called out to Datums AB per the note. Datum B being the 10 .122 holes (pattern). After entering all relevant information into my surface profile box, I see that simultaneous requirement actual has the 10 counterbores in there instead of the .122 datum B holes. They are all on the same axis, but I wasn't expecting to see them there. Is this a glitch in the new GDT engine or have I got something wrong here? Would appreciate your input. Edited 4 hours ago Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/27788-profile-simultaneous-requirement/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ma...] Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago I am not familiar with ASME here, but shouldn't datum B a pattern of 10 holes of .122? Next - i think that profile .01|A|B is applied only on that cylindrical part of contour - rest of contour should be .02 as note 8. I don't know why using SimReq here - do you have freeform? Would be much easier to evaluate one feature, than every plane and cylinder separatelly altho same datums. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/27788-profile-simultaneous-requirement/#findComment-157638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted 3 hours ago Author Share Posted 3 hours ago Datum B is a pattern of 10 .122 holes, which Is why I am surprised to see the 10 Counterbores in Sim Q. I was surprised to see that as well but because Datum B is a pattern I assumed that using the Sim Q was correct. Don't have freeform. I may just report these with the old GDT engine. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/27788-profile-simultaneous-requirement/#findComment-157640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago I think you have this built incorrect. Datum B would be a common datum of the (10x) .122 diameter - it should not be a singular feature. Datum B is going to control the X/Y Origin and the Planar Rotation. You cannot build a common datum with Circles though. What you could do though (as long as you are in 2025+) you could create the 10x Position of the Datum B holes to Datum A - they would live inside of a SimReq. Then you can create an alignment from that Best-Fit that it builds - Resources - Utilities - GDT Best Fit - just select one of the Datum B Positions. Inside of your Profiles, you can switch over to Loose and use the GDT Best Fit alignment. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/27788-profile-simultaneous-requirement/#findComment-157642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted 2 hours ago Author Share Posted 2 hours ago I just went through position call out for the .122 holes and the .300 holes in the exact same way. According to Zeiss support the position was correct. Does profile work differently? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/27788-profile-simultaneous-requirement/#findComment-157644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago You have not shown us how you have the others setup. I'm just saying what you have defined inside of the Profile is incorrect. Datum B is not just a singular circle. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/27788-profile-simultaneous-requirement/#findComment-157654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago And to clarify something else - the SimREQ/CZ will show up anytime the Position/Profile have the exact same DRF - whether or not you turn on the SimREQ/CZ for that particular feature/group of features is entirely up to you and your drawing. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/27788-profile-simultaneous-requirement/#findComment-157656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago The way Ive been doing position and now profile to this point shows me my degrees of freedom in the box. This is why I thought I was doing this correctly. I followed the knowledge base example to tee. I appreciate all your help. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/27788-profile-simultaneous-requirement/#findComment-157658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ma...] Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago What i would do is make TP for all 10 holes .122 in pattern. Enable translation and rotation for bestfit together with MMC. Now you can use this "alignment" in profile datum instead of selecting single datums. Or you can create theoretical line and point ( or circle instead of a point ), set their feature's alignment as patterned and use that as your datums in profile callout. ( line for stopping rotation and circle/point for origin ) Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/27788-profile-simultaneous-requirement/#findComment-157660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted 20 minutes ago Author Share Posted 20 minutes ago Okay, I kind of understand this but it's going to mean re-programming my program. I think it would have been fine if datum B was just the one hole, but obviously that's not the case and I tried telling the engineer that was helping me this and he said the way I was doing it was correct. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction folks Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/27788-profile-simultaneous-requirement/#findComment-157674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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