How do you handle mini-plans?

[[Se...]]

Hello everybody,

We work a lot with miniplans.
Our programs contain a lot of features and a lot of miniplans. So much so that it becomes difficult, if not impossible, to keep an overview.
It's particularly difficult and time-consuming to find out in which of our miniplans a particular feature can be found.
I submitted an idea in "My voice" which was quickly shelved... I'm told about the powerful new "ZEISS CALYPSO dynamic planning" option... I can't quite figure out how it works, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't suit my needs at all.
My idea was simple: Add the Mini Plans in the "Measurement Plan Editor Characteristic".

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Do you have similar problems? Have you found a simple way to view and control the mini plans?





Wir arbeiten viel mit Merkmalsgruppen.
Unsere Programme enthalten viele Merkmale und viele Merkmalsgruppen. Das macht es schwierig oder gar unmöglich, den Überblick zu behalten.
Besonders schwierig und zeitaufwendig ist es, herauszufinden, in welchen Merkmalsgruppen ein bestimmtes Merkmal zu finden ist.
Ich hatte in "My voice" eine Idee eingereicht, die schnell zu Grabe getragen wurde... Man hat mir von der neuen leistungsstarken Option "ZEISS CALYPSO dynamic planning" erzählt... Es fällt mir schwer, zu verstehen, wie sie funktioniert, aber ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, dass sie überhaupt nicht meinen Bedürfnissen entspricht.
Dabei war meine Idee ganz einfach: die Merkmalsgruppen im "Prüfplan-Editor Prüfmerkmale" hinzufügen.



Habt Ihr auch solche Schwierigkeiten? Habt Ihr einen einfachen Weg gefunden, um die Merkmalsgruppen anzuzeigen und zu steuern?

[[No...]]

Wenn der Vorschlag nicht schon auf gelöst stünde, hätte ich jetzt dafür gestimmt!
Die Idee mit dem Überblick im Prüfmerkmaleditor finde ich echt gut, auch wenn ich das Problem selber gar nicht habe.

Tja, ich kenne solche "Lösungen", die völlig am Thema vorbeigehen, leider auch aus eigener Erfahrung. Ich hatte mal einen Vorschlag gepostet, daß das Handling von Magazinbelegungen so geändert werden sollte, daß bei Änderungen an geöffneten Belegungen eine Sicherheitsabfrage erfolgt, statt einfach jede Änderung stillschweigend abzuspeichern. Wir hatten schon mehr als einmal Probleme mit falschen Tastern in den Belegungen, weil jemand beim Erstellen einer neuen Belegung übersehen hatte, daß noch eine andere geöffnet war. Da war schon alles dabei, von Maschinenstillstand in der Nachtschicht bis Kollision.

Der Vorschlag wurde dann auch abgewimmelt mit Hinweis auf die damals neu eingeführte Abfrage der ID-Chips, obwohl die ID rein gar nichts an dem Problem ändert. Es hat nur beides "irgendwas mit Tasterverwechslung zu tun", das reichte schon.
Es war deutlich zu spüren, daß sich da gar niemand wirklich mit dem beschriebenen Problem auseinandergesetzt hatte. Und das finde ich einigermaßen traurig. Das ist auch der Grund, warum ich MyVoice kaum nutze. Mich ärgert es, wenn ich viel Zeit investiere, um ein Problem zu beschreiben und mir auch noch einen möglichen Lösungsvorschlag auszudenken, nur um dann festzustellen, daß die Sache mit einerm Mausklick geblockt wird, ohne daß sich jemand die Mühe gemacht hat, das Problem überhaupt mal zu verstehen.

[[Da...]]

Carl admin, are people behind MyVoice answers students? Not a problem at all, until they actually consult with experts before giving an answer. Is that the case?

[[Ri...]]

You can always go to the program folder, find the sub folder named "Runs".
This folder will show all the names of Mini Plans in the program. If there are no names, there are no mini plans.
From there go back to the program folder and find the file named: "Inspection"
You can open this file and search for the Mini Plan names shown in the "Runs" folder.

In my example, the mini plan was named "Test".
I search for that string with "Match Case".
Once found, a few lines below the mini plan name will be a string: "#List"
This string contains all the names of all Characteristics associated to the Mini Plan "Test".

Find Mini Plans and related Characteristics.PNG

[[Se...]]

Hallo Norbert,

danke für deinen Beitrag. Auch wenn es nicht wirklich die Antwort ist, die ich mir erhofft hatte, hilft sie mir zumindest, mich nicht so allein zu fühlen... Und ich habe auch Mitleid mit dir. Das war sicher eine sehr gute Idee, der man keine Chance gegeben hat!


Hi Rick,

thank you for your contribution. Your information is absolutely correct and I've already asked our IT people if they could create a little script that extracts this data in the form of an Excel table. Maybe one day, when they've got some time to waste... 🤣
In my case, we're talking about a program with 10 to 20 miniplans, each containing between 20 and 100 characteristics. Manual processing with text would therefore be very tedious...

What I'm looking for is a simple, instantaneous way of visualizing the contents of the mini-plans, and also of adding or removing features with ease.
When you consider Calypso's high level of complexity and its gigantic number of features, this shouldn't be overwhelming, should it?

[[Ph...]]

Plan/Mini-Plan/Show will give you the option to show all characteristics attached to each mini-plan. then modify and/or modify several gives the option to modify the plan. At our facility all prints are balloned so finding which characteristic is attached to the feature being sought after is fairly simple. As well I will name the mini-plan to the operation it is attached to with the job traveler. Maybe I just don't understand the question completely.

[[Ri...]]

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I have attached an Excel spreadsheet, XLSM (Macro enabled).
The macros are crude, no error handling.
There is a worksheet named "Start" with a Button labeled "Start Macro".
Click on the button, navigate to your program folder, then to the "runs" folder.
Select all the file names in the "runs" folder.
Click the "OK" button.
After it is completed, you may have to format Sheet1 to fit by column width.
Each MiniPlan Name will be in its own Column, under each Mini Plan Name will be a list of all characteristics related to the Mini Plan.
If you want to run the Macros again, go to the Start worksheet, it will clear all data prior to collecting data.

Macros were written in VB.net for Office365.
The file is Zipped.

Edit:
Remember, there is no error handling.
If the program doesn't have Mini Plans, just click Cancel in the Folder dialog box and then "End" on the error dialog box.

Calypso MiniPlan and Characteristic Listing.zip

[[Se...]]

Thank you so much, Rick!
This is exactly what I was looking for!
I will definitely ask our IT people if there is a way to run it automatically every night for each program so everyone in the company can see what we can measure in which mini plan.
Since we have the feature numbers as comments, it would be great if we could also read the comment for each feature. Let's see if we can upgrade the macro that way...
This will help us a lot, although it would be much more elegant to have such an overview directly in Calypso...

Fortunately, some users have found solutions to overcome the shortcomings of the software...

[[Ri...]]

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Remember, there is no error handling.
If the program doesn't have Mini Plans, just click Cancel in the Folder dialog box and then "End" on the error dialog box.

[[Ni...]]

The way i handle miniplans is by grouping the characteristics. If i have multiple miniplans in a program then its because i am able to inspect operation 10, 20 and 30 in one single program.
So i would just go to Plan > Mini Plan > Show > operation i want. That will highlight all the characteristics which should all be grouped at the beginning as operation 10
That will also highlight all of the characteristics for that miniplan in the measurement plan editor.
I don't know how its set up over there but thats how it worked for me. Just group them by operations and then create the miniplans and you can visually see what operations inspects what characteristics.

[[Ri...]]

Excel macro workbook updated with minor error handling.
I found that sometimes when you remove a Mini Plan within Calypso it can leave a residual text file of that name in the "Runs" folder.
This name will not be found in the "inspection" file during a search via the macro.
Now the VBA macro will pop up a Message Box with the name of the offending file and some other information plus save a text file in the "Runs" folder with the same data as the Message Box. Text file named "MP Error names.txt".

Without the error handling, the macro would simply stop functioning.

Calypso MiniPlan and Characteristic Listing.zip