[Mi...] Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. 100% and that's where anybody learning hopefully has a suspicious engineer or more experienced programmer to ask you "Are you sure these results are right?" "Why are you sure?" "Explain the GD&T behind this" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Je...] Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. It is not a Calypso "problem." I would suggest that Calypso provides a better solution for defining alignments than the other software you mentioned, but it is certainly not the only effective method. Trust can be earned towards several equally valid approaches. Please sign in to view this quote. Agreed, especially regarding the cookbook. Zeiss wrote the cookbook with a hyperfocus on large-volume inspection situations, especially automotive, where verifying the process and meeting acceptance criteria is the primary concern. Since I work mostly in new part introduction i.e. prototyping and tooling verification, I often have to divert from the cookbook, and I rarely can rely on LSQ for the evaluation method. Training and resourcing programmers is the foundation for effective metrology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DW...] Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. In my experience if the report is all green no one questions anything. It doesn't matter if the actual values are nominal out to five places. It doesn't matter if true positions are reporting 0.0000. It doesn't matter if the drawing calls out surface profile and the report shows line profile. If even one characteristic is showing red out of tolerance by 0.0001" - the CMM, the CMM programmer, the CMM operator, and Calypso are all suspect. Doesn't matter that its the same program that's been running for years, or the fact that the previous part (which is the exact same as the failing part) came out in tolerance 20 minutes ago 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Je...] Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. Chad, I 100% agree. Also, WELCOME TO THE ZEISS COMMUNITY FORUM to those that I have not had any interaction with yet! Blind-faith in any teaching or method is not the sentiment I, nor ZEISS as a whole, endorses. I must apologize for my hard-fast closed minded response there. Mr Stanich, you have my apologies for the heavy-handed statement and argumentative approach. We pride ourselves in being a company and culture of innovation and outside-the-box thinking. I can say that for my US colleagues with the utmost confidence. My issue here is that I can tell you how the software for this particular topic is literally designed. This topic specifically is settled in 99% of all cases. The image/highlight from the training manual was provided directly from The Great Ryan Stauffer when I presented this forum post to him (yes, this is what I call him too 🙂 ). The alternate method suggested of ignoring Start_Align is a method that my team and our Training teams have been working for years to mitigate in hopes to fully eliminate. Yes, there are hundreds of ways to do many things in CALYPSO. Many alternate methods will produce the same results. This alignment method, however, is not one of those methods and is often a direct cause of machine crashes, broken equipment and failed inspections. I can assure you, I have the data and a team of highly experienced Application Engineers to back this claim (I may expand on this at a later date...stay tuned). Proper training and understanding of the functions of CALYPSO and relevant equipment fosters a better experience for our customers. As metrologists and/or CMM programmers, we have all made the joke about feeling lost but no one enjoys an experience where you feel as if you are guessing on extremely important decisions. As I am sure you have experienced, when you properly understand how it all works, and just as important, how it doesn't work, you can really make the CMM dance in ways people didn't think was possible. Please sign in to view this quote. THIS! THANK YOU! This is actually THE main topic in the CALYPSO-EXPERT training course of which I discussed with my colleagues this morning coincidentally. The entire intent of the course is to teach highly advanced methods to our customers but not just how to use them or to get passed a rare hurdle. The intent is to push to apply all methods effectively and prove which methods are applied properly with objective data to support. "Show me the proof". The idea, in a nutshell, is to change the general outlook of going into a GR&R with "hope" to one of confidence instead. This applies to all cases, not just GR&R, but that reference tends to bring back the memory of a time one experienced the woes of a failed GRR and the clamoring done to root-cause and correct. Apologies for the rant and babbling. Lets get back to machines, robots and computers shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Je...] Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. You´re right. I know how every software works and it´s my job to switch and think the way the software is thinking. But I have some special parts where I miss functions on Calypso. Maybe I just didn´t find them yet. Of course it´s not part of this thread, sorry for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ke...] Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. Speaking of... any idea when one of the Calypso-Expert classes will be taking place in person in Michigan? I know that there are online classes available, but I prefer in person, whenever possible. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Je...] Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 I will see what I can find out shortly. Voiced interest in the courses is always a good incentive to create a scheduled listing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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[Ri...] Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. Where did I state to use "unstable" features. If your concerned about the X Point, Y Point and Z Point, did you miss the part about Fixtures? My post appears to have been read by Left Wing MSM... 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ch...] Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. You didn't. I exaggerated your statement to make my point look better. That's what any good pitchman would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. Fixed that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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