How to simple go to next page of table protocol?

[[Ka...]]

Dear Experts,

This is a very simple question, so apologies for that already:

How to go to the next page of the table protocol in a simple way?

Example:
I select all measurements of a given order number, the first 12 results are displayed. How to go the the next 12 ones? So just scroll on or back?

Currently I need to go to "direct selection", then choose every single measurement in the right order and display the result. If I mark a group of 12 start with numer 12 the order is reversed. Mark the first one and than select the next 11 entries the order is mixed to 1,12,11,10 ...

I am sure that this is just a wrong operation. There must be a reasonable way to scroll through the results. 😉

best Regards
Karsten

[[Ya...]]

Hi Karsten, I always click on the Calypso logo to go forward and Zeiss to go back. The Zeiss logo takes you back to the first page.

[[Ka...]]

Hi Yannick,

Thanks for this tipp. Let me say: strange to hide page forward/backward/first page behind the ZEISS logo 😱

O.K. But I do not want to jump inside a protocol which have more rows than can be displayed on one page.
I want to scroll vorward/backward to the next Columns.

Say you have done 200 measurements and you will just scroll in pages of 12 measurements. At the moment I see no way to do this in a easy way.

[[Jo...]]

Hello Karsten,

Maybe it might be helpful to understand why you want to "scroll" through the measurements in your case. Why I ask is it may be helpful to use a different visualization to achieve your goal. For example, if you want to look at how measurements looked at previously it time, it might be helpful to throw in a line diagram of say the last 100 measurements in your table.

[[Ka...]]

Hello Joshua,

You are right: It may be that there are other and better procedures available.

The example show only a very small bunch of measurements. In normal case we speek about 100 - 200 measurements.

What we do:
To imagine if there is a issue with the production lot we use the dashboard or trend protokoll to get an overview of the selected range. But unfortunately the X axis of this views do not include any time information.
To check if one or more problems always occurs at a certain time or work shift we need the table log. Here you can see very well if and when there are problems with the production. However, it is extremely cumbersome to scroll through the pages of a selected production run.

Regardless of other log displays, it should be really easy to navigate forward and backward through the table log.This would be very easy to get a short overview of the selected measurements.


best Regards
Karsten

[[Je...]]

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Karsten,

I agree. Unfortunately, one weakness of Zeiss software over the years is many basic options are "secret knowledge" that you have to find out from someone or stumble upon it. I wish the software was more intuitive for the everyday user.

I am sure Zeiss hates it when I say this, but they should make their software more like Windows and other Microsoft or mainstream software products. Research and subsequent refinements have already been implemented in those software through massive, worldwide usage and feedback.

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[[Ün...]]

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I agree.

Zeiss is not flexible at all in this regard. Some of my clients want to see the values as a table. What was measured at what time? There are times when I report the last 1000 measurements.

For this, I make my own report by exporting each measurement to excel and then combining it with a macro.

By the way, you can increase your table showing 12 measurements up to 25 measurements by changing the page size to A3 in the settings.

[[Ka...]]

Thanks to all!

To speak plainly here: No function for scrolling within the table log is implemented! 😱 😠

I agree too: This is such a basic feature that is not even mentioned in modern software anymore; unbelievable ❗

Writing this on the wish list seems futile to me. If Zeiss hasn't implemented such a simple function themselves for a long time, they have no interest in it.

Thanks for this frank discussion,

Best Regards
Karsten

[[Je...]]

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Scrolling is as basic of a software feature as there is. The same goes for zoom, minimize, maximize, output to excel, and many other standard program behaviors. PiWeb and Calypso truly do need to be modernized to handle basic functions that most users expect from software.
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[[Je...]]

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[[La...]]

PiWeb displays reports on a page. With most tables in PiWeb, you can go infinitely down (in this case, characteristics) with X amount across (in this case, measurements). You can have nested tables but usually the restriction is based on page or object size.

PiWeb isn't a spreadsheet software, but you can simulate the spreadsheet style mentality by expanding the page size. If you expand the sheet size, you can have Y amount of measurements across instead.

[[Ka...]]

Dear Laura,

I don't want to start an endless discussion about the usability of PiWeb here. But I am allowed to make one remark:

For me and certainly for many other users, software is basically a tool that should make work easier. Like a hammer that is just supposed to hit a nail. If I find that the software does not help me with my daily tasks but makes things more complicated, the software should change. A hammer that doesn't hit a nail straight because the side of the hammer is crooked is simply not suitable for daily work.

Your approach is to change my task or the use of the software to fit. So about holding the hammer crooked so that I can drive the nail straight.

My approach is that the software must change! ❗ ❗ ❗ ❗

Best Regards
Karsten

[[Gu...]]

In CALYPSO basis PiWeb reporting with 10 data records is possible.
With the CALYPSO option PiWeb reporting plus, up to 1000 data records per measurement plan are possible. In addition, statistical functions are included. In addition, there is the Reporting Plus GUI. This allows the data to be analyzed parallel to the measurement process at the CMM.

Furthermore, there are the PiWeb server solutions such as PiWeb sbs, PiWeb cloud, PiWeb enterprise
PiWeb is a database solution. Please do not confuse with a spreadsheet.
There are many cells in a spreadsheet. Many cells are empty and you have to scroll on the page.

With a database solution, you retrieve data from the database and display it in ready-made or your own templates. The data retrieval for the ready-made templates takes place in the PiWeb Monitor via Navigation/Show measurement selection or <F6>

As Laura correctly wrote, the size of the TableProtocol.ptx depends only on the page size setting. Customization is possible with the PiWeb reporting Designer. (ZEISS Portal ==> ACADEMY ==> Search for "CALYPSO: How to expand the "TableProtocol.ptx")
If you have the CALYPSO PiWeb reporting plus license, you can retrieve more data.

Example
TableProtocol.ptx adapted for 200 columns. Scrolling inside the window is now necessary
Whether such a large table representation makes sense, everyone can decide for themselves.
If you want to evaluate large amounts of data automatically, there are better options with ready-made templates. TrendProtocol.ptx, Dashboard.ptx, ProcessProtocol.ptx, InteractiveStandardProtocol.ptx
Example:
The same data set instead of in a large table, evaluated with ready-made templates.


some links:

CALYPSO + PiWeb + Dashboard + PiWeb app https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outl ... reserved=0

Concept for "automated error analysis" with reporting in CALYPSO 2022. See video at approx. 1:35:00. https://e.video-cdn.net/video?video-id= ... l-id=87496

[[Gu...]]

In a line chart, you don't have all the information on the X axis. You can customize a line chart. Alternatively, you can work with the standard templates.
Here is a video excerpt:
https://portal.zeiss.com/academy/video- ... hGqdngxidV

PiWeb overview, difference between reporting and statistics, workflow with “ProcessProtcol.ptx” and the line diagram to find the exact cause of the error in the component.

ZEISS portal / ZEISS ACADEMY https://portal.zeiss.com/academy