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Karsten beschreibt das Vorgehen nach Definition. Ich arbeite öfters auch mit Verbundbauteile mit Elastomeren, da hat es sich schon als sehr nützlich erwiesen die MSA 1 (bzw. Vergleichbare Vorgehen im Rahmen der Messprozessentwicklung) mit Umspannen durchzuführen, weil ich hier Bediener bin und dann genau weiss was ich zu welchem Ergebnis getan habe. Diese Info bekomm ich durch die MSA 2 später nur durch viel Glück in der Qualität. Der Hauptunterschied wird hier das Verhältnis aus Toleranzbereich der Bauteile zu Genauigkeit der Messgeräte sein. Bei mir stellt sich in der Regel nicht die Frage nach der Genauigkeit des Messgeräts.

Norbert, I completely agree with you! The current version of Planner is pretty rubbish. You should think very carefully before buying an offline station. Generally speaking, however, Zeiss promises a simulation that works 100% of the time and sells it (at a very high price). You have a lot of experience using Planner and are surely familiar with all the pitfalls, big and small. New users, however, assume that the simulation works 100%. If the software fails to detect collisions that are not immediately obvious, it can take a long time to identify the problem in the real world. Or if the measuring space is insufficient – particularly with RDS – and an end stop is reached in the real world. It is even worse if collisions with the machine’s own geometry go undetected. All of these are basic functions that the current software version only covers inadequately. As I said: if you have plenty of experience, you might not need 100% simulation, and 80% might be enough (though even that isn’t always achieved...)

Have you looked at this? https://stylicleaner.com/

Hello colleagues, We have a number of DuraMax machines in operation in our production environment. Despite intensive extraction, there is always some oil in the air, which builds up on the stylus systems over time. The carbon fibre extensions (ZEISS REACH CFX) are particularly affected. Some of them start to feel a bit sticky after just one year of use. Occasionally, there are problems with the contacts on the old XXT plates that do not yet have gold-plated contacts. How do you clean your XXT plates and, in particular, the carbon fibre extensions? We clean the probes with steel shafts and ruby balls using 99% alcohol. An automatic probe cleaning system would, of course, be a real hit in a shop floor environment. For example, every five times a probe system is used, the probe would first move to a cleaning station. Well, we can always dream 🙂

Maybe it's my lack of imagination, but I never understood why people want to simulate each and every bit of their CMM setup in Planner anyway. I learned very early that the simulation is very limited when it comes to anything other than pure collision detection between stylus and workpiece. And even that only works reliably maybe 80% of the time, and only on the lowest speed setting. I started with Planner in 2009 and many of the bugs I encountered back then are still present today, like the CMM making weird moves especially after a probe change, which do not happen on the physical CMM. That alone was enough to keep me from simulating the whole setup. Because if the virtual CMM can't even move realistically, all the other stuff doesn't make much sense. So most of the time I only simulate the workpiece, the fixture and the stylus, maybe also the head if it comes very close to the part. All the other things are only there to impress the boss 😄

What is checked, then it's used. If there is a profile callout with datums, then you have to look what is free. If you have only A and B in callout's datum, then you allow only rotation - nothing more. If you have a newer Calypso, then use GD&T and fill only used datums - rotation will be automatically added.

UPDATE: Calypso program editor My GIT repository: https://github.com/justyand/zeiss_pgm_editor Direct link: (v.0.1-alpha) https://github.com/justyand/zeiss_pgm_editor/releases/tag/v0.1-alpha

I have a round part with a plane close to the top. Datum B is the plane. Datum A is the OD. Base alignment is the plane as Spatial and Z Origin, OD is X and Y origin, and there is a small slot in the top plane the is perpendicular to the plan, but rotated 15 degrees. This slot is my rotation in the base alignment. On top of the -B- plane is a scrollwork like feature with a profile to ABC. There is also a profile for the scrollwork. This scroll work walls are basically perpendicular to the plane -B-. How do I set up the fitting options for the scroll work freeform in order for the profile to just A and B reads correctly. I think I want to allow rotation and X and Y and that's it (Looking for advice to understand)? When you check the box is that allowing rotation or stopping it?

but i am also looking at the Raw Data.. I see the noise it that even without the GDT evaluation

classic for both... cant really use the new one for this type of eval.

Are you using the new GD&T Line Profile or the Classic Line Profile?

I have done this several ways and i am still getting random noise... I have created noms 3 different ways 1) from recall points , then recalculate.... in order to do this no data can be in the features yet 2) I created a text file with all the nominal points and either "read into" within the curve or use the points set 3) used the cad model to generate the nominals once that was done, i recalled the points using both non-filtered data and checked the filtered data. Every one of those things creates the same random "noise" .... sometimes it is at the end of one curve some times its well into the curve....

It may be "Plane1ba". Martin's data seems to lean on that feature. And I just found the problem. Inside of Plane1ba is an extra Clearance Data and guess which probe is attached to it. I have no clue how an extra Clearance Data was added or how it would have been assigned a probe that isn't being used. 🫣

You can add the probe racks to the simulator, but only virtually. You cannot mount them to your table and do crash detection. (If that changed in version 8, I cant find it!) It would be so nice to be able to simulate and not have to validate on the real machine!

Engineers 🙄 My buddy said, engineers should go back to operating trains... He said it to me 🥲 @Josh Elmore Are you using the classic or new profile? How are you creating the nominals for the recalled curve? My preferred method is using the connect nominal curves If using the "re-calculate nominal geometry" option from the recall feature points pop-up, make sure there is no actual data in your curve I would recommend using the curve results points option when recalling the feature points. This would pull the actual curve points rather than the raw scanned points (generally 3x your actual points)

The Planner seat runs version 7.8. Of the 9 Zeiss CMMs here, six of them can run version 7. A few of our CMMs run XXT and TP20 systems so that's another rack I guarantee doesn't exist in Calypso. The rack modeling is certainly lacking, but more of a want than a need. I'll be leveraging Solidworks for making set-ups, which we 3D print a lot of workholding. Also making a mental note about the holders, thanks!

Do you know the feature which causes the problem? To my mind the technology of this feature has another safety data entry. If the probe system of this one differs to the assigned system of the safety data on top of the technology, this special probe system won't show up at the measurement plan editor features and so on. The only message you get is that this probe system is not available.

I do not mask other than the global "point masking by time interval, but not in the settings of the feature. the bottom scan is the one segment (curve) that is originally evaluated as a profile of a line.. the top scan is the exact same segment, but recalled with the other curves. I have tried both selecting and deselecting the "filter option" that is now available in 2025 when recalling points.. both give me the same error. I have tried increasing the filters in the eval..which does get rid of the noise, but does not match the original scan. Engineering wants to look at both. this particular segment, the nominal points set to 425 with point scan set at 1000

Unfortunately, I can't send you this program, I had to prove US citizenship to be able to work on this project. Its T.S.N.S. Top Secret Ninja Sh*t.

I did not think about groups, according to Martin, the offending feature is in a group.

Are you recalling calculated points or all? Also do you use masking points beggining/end of a scan? You can show your masked ( red ) points on actual scan and i think it will corelate. When i do scans, i always mask curve points at beggining and end of a scan manually - keeping those points for me to review

I have a program that has a profile callout that goes from point A to Point B. Originally I scan this as sever curves because that is what engineering wanted... i e one curve from point A to Point B across several features (radius, cone, radius, diameter..etc). They then came back and asked to separate the curves into individual sections... I did this and for YEARS this was fine. Now they want it back to original 1 scan. Program has evolved to where I do not want to use the original probe I used to get it in one scan. I tried to recall all the individual scan sections into 1 curve, but I am getting random "noise" on the curves. I am using the same filters on the recall... if I increase the filter, i filter out the noise, but then the complete scans do not match the individual scans. Several part runs do, some multiple complete scans have this noise but the rest of the scans match... its all random... NOISE NO NOISE both are from the same scan.. bottom one is the actual scan, the top with the noise is when i recall it.

@Karsten Kankowski The price of just under 1,000 euros for a Zeiss holder is reasonable. In addition to the Contura, we also have a Mitutoyo machine with Renishaw equipment; for that one, a 3-slot rack (which is also just plastic and a few springs) costs 3,000 euros 🤑😭

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Calypso program editor: Win32/64 application in Delphi for editing programs without Calypso Now it's in a stage ALPHA where it reads "inspection" and "inspset" file and shows parsed content in TreeView component. Search is available. For a start this will be only a viewer, then i'll start to adding editing functions. Now next step will be conversion to and from XML My GIT repository ( private now ) :https://github.com/justyand/zeiss_pgm_editor Direct link: *not yet*