[BR...] Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Currently have a few torus features on my part i'm checking and they have profile callouts. In the past this was no issue because i had curve. My new job I do not have a curve license and it doesn't look like i'll be getting it this year. Is there any other way to report/check it other than doing a bunch of points on it and reporting the worst one as the profile??? Not sure on the best way to go about this. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Cl...] Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I've use space points/space point distance in the past for just such a scenario. I haven't tried it, but you should be able to pull a torus into a surface profile characteristic. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[BR...] Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. I tried pulling the torus in and it doesn't work. So I am currently using points but don't really want to do that. I have quite a few and will take some time. Just looking for another work around Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Cl...] Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I feel your pain. We have one O-inspect without curve/freeform. They won't break off the measly few grand to get it. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[BR...] Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. It it like 7 grand now b/c they added freeform to it for one license. We were going to grab it this year but we had a big customer back out of a big contract job so we are waiting for more cash flow at the beginning of the year now. Plus it was mainly going to be for their project. But I would use curve over most of our jobs but just isn't worth it at this time. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ch...] Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Hi. I had a similar issue. Question does your torus have a datum reference frame? I think you may need freeform/curve either way. Theoretically, profile of a torus should be doable in Calypso. I believe I put a request in for it at My Voice portal, please vote it up. Good luck ! Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 can you select individual "circle paths" from torus strategy and evaluate profile of a line, then select the maximum ? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[BR...] Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. no i tried that as well. Pretty sure i need the curve/free form license. I just ended up putting points on it following the circle paths I would have used and reported the Max. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[BR...] Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. yes, it does have a datum reference frame. I just ended up using points. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ja...] Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Have you tried using "General surface" feature under Features > Special Geometries. It is a time consuming process but may work for you. You can pull this feature into a surface profile characteristic. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I like to section the torus in 4 spots, scan circles & then recall them into a free form surface. Works out perfect most of the time. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Cl...] Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Yep, I do the same thing. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 If you have Free-Form, measure the Torus as a Torus, and then recall feature points into the Free-Form. Make sure to associate the Free-Form to the Torus surface. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sc...] Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I've been battling with torus. The best solution I came up is to creating features under CAD menu. I do a section on torus area then select circle under creation tab. Go to circle feature and adjust the path. I use radius for result. I only have curves licenseTorus.png Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sc...] Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 How does general surface works? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ja...] Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 For general surface: first, Make sure you have the same stylus selected that you would use to measure that feature ( otherwise it will be a pain to change stylus later on) then open feature window and start clicking points on the CAD model then click OK. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Za...] Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 do you have to have freeform to use general surface? I'm just wondering, because I'm running into an error and I'm trying to figure out if it's worth it to upgrade to from 7.0.02 to 7.4 or not. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 "Torus does not play well with others." - Tom Oakes Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Za...] Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Please sign in to view this quote. Lol, oh I know. As soon as I saw it pulled in as a Torus, I was not happy. I see there are a couple different workarounds for getting my surface profile measurement, but I'm wondering what the best method is? I'm going to try to get my company to buy freeform eventually, but that might take some time. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Za...] Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Please sign in to view this quote. I'm trying to measure this callout and it's not going so well Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ch...] Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Zach, Hi. This looks like it should be do-able since you have a CAD model. You may not even need to slice/section the CAD model if Calypso recognizes the torus feature. Keep in mind tori (plural of torus) have a different clearance path / keep an eye on OD/ID switch for torus.- they often get inverted. Once selected and ID/OD set right you should be able to measure 4 or more circle circle paths. On Calypso 2021 and newer you should be able to do a torus surface profile to datums, however since you do not have tertiary you may have to make a secondary alignment to A|B and use this in the DRF selection in profile to get a result. Note on your DRF A|B with A being so short it obviously does not make a good primary datum axis. You may want to inquire about using B then A if possible. Good luck, let us know if you need more help. -Chris Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Za...] Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Chris, I appreciate the response. Unfortunately, I'm running 2020 (7.0.02) and it will not let me select a torus in the profile dialog box. Is there any other way to get around not having freeform/curve? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ch...] Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Zach, I see. I think FFS and General Curve are your best alternative options. Curve wont really report proper surface profile - rather curve form to itself. One idea I have never tried but may be a grey area work around - if you can create a cylinder that lies along exactly where each of the 4 circle paths you will measure with same nominals as each circle section, you may be able to profile each cylinder. I would ask for FFS license - it is essential with most new drawings. good luck. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Za...] Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Please sign in to view this quote. Now that's an interesting idea. I just have to be at exactly 0º/90º/180º/270º and I should be able to report those cylinder profiles. Thanks for the idea, I'll see what I can come up with. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Use Space Points. The key is to balance the Space Points from a Centerline. See this post. The parts are nearly a Ø14 (Inch) torus and its only about 2 1/2 inches wide.... viewtopic.php?p=43417#p43417 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10104-torus-profile/#findComment-48132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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