[He...] Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 This is my first time using the new 2021 Calypso. Please bare with me. I notice many changes. I am just trying to do a basic 2 circles, one on bottom, one on top, 3d line using circle 1 and circle 2, then Point on top. Once I set up my Base/Start Alignment. My image, see attached, goes from a beautiful flat circles to tilted. And then when I run the program, the probe actually runs up and down the steel when measuring. I never had this problem before. I don't know why this is happening. And now I see there is another update for Calypso. I'm afraid to download that. I'm sure this is something simple for someone. I don't see anything obvious, why this would be happening. I selected 4 points to make each circle. It's sitting flat. I will eventually be measuring the inside of this steel cavity. I pray that goes well. Thank you in advance for your assistance. Heather - ManchesterCalypso base alignment circle shift.JPG Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10806-2021-shifting-circle-base-alignment/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ja...] Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Can you post pictures of your base alignment and circles and how did set up those features: probing or just inputting nominals? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10806-2021-shifting-circle-base-alignment/#findComment-52306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[He...] Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10806-2021-shifting-circle-base-alignment/#findComment-52308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ro...] Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Hi Heather, Some things to look for... Use recall to construct the 3d line from the circles, not recall feature points, if you are. I see you're using a rotary table. Has the table been properly calibrated? Are you creating an alignment from the part itself for the rotary alignment? If the part is wobbling on the rotary and the table isn't aligned to the axis of the part itself you can get unreliable results. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10806-2021-shifting-circle-base-alignment/#findComment-52310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[He...] Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 I did use the recall using Circle 1 & Circle 2. The Zeiss was just calibrated. Had no issues before. This is just my first time using this software. I haven't downloaded the March version yet. I doubt that will help me though. I did notice this part is tapered though. I have it on a vice. It isn't going anywhere. I am trying to create a basic alignment with the 2 circle and then get a plane to check the flatness on top. Then check how centered the gears are inside of the cavity. I could do a recalibration of the rotary table and probes again. See if that helps. Might as well update the software then. *sigh* Our main Zeiss guy retired, and I know very little. I appreciate your assistance. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10806-2021-shifting-circle-base-alignment/#findComment-52312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Er...] Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 It sounds like to me when the 3d line was created, there might have been a little bit of the angle in the nominal of A1 or A2. These would have to be set to 0 to be normal to how the part was actually sitting on the CMM, and then used to align the part. If these weren't set to 0, it would have shifted the part axis of the 3d line to make it zero, and tilted your circles accordingly. I would delete the 3d line, and try it again, making sure your angles were set to 0 before using them in the base alignment. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10806-2021-shifting-circle-base-alignment/#findComment-52314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Er...] Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Additionally, the reason A1 and A2 was not at zero if you used recall, is because the X, Y and Z Nominals didn't match when you recalled them into the 3d line. I suggest start again, create the 2 circles again, and make sure the X,Y,and Z nominals match each other between the 2 circles. This will ensure the 3D line is straight, and should check them correctly when you select the 3d line in the Base Alignment. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10806-2021-shifting-circle-base-alignment/#findComment-52316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[He...] Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 Unfortunately, I have restarted twice with the same results. I will try again in the morning. Thank you for your assistance. I will do some research tonight as well. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10806-2021-shifting-circle-base-alignment/#findComment-52318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ma...] Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 As I observed many times on older versions - always problems, when i scan and create elements. I would recommend to make base alignment just in Calypso to keep all in nominals without measured data. Then you can manually take points to get real part. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10806-2021-shifting-circle-base-alignment/#findComment-52320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[He...] Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 Good news everyone. I tried it again this morning. I was very cautious on those angles. It worked perfect. Thank you so much everyone. Cheers! Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10806-2021-shifting-circle-base-alignment/#findComment-52322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Je...] Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Please sign in to view this quote. . I've heard this line a lot lately. Here's a tangent (punny pun pun), but I noticed that the companies I interviewed with last year that had one person as the CMM programmer/operator for eons were often the same companies that were offering a very low hourly wage, as opposed to the companies that were expanding and adding a new position. The companies that were out-of-touch with the value and skillset of a modern CMM programmer had not updated their wages to reflect market value. Not sure if anyone else has noticed this trend. I digress. Jeff Frodermann Meier Tool & Engineering Brooklyn Park, Minnesota . Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10806-2021-shifting-circle-base-alignment/#findComment-52324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Jo...] Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Please sign in to view this quote. It seems they also want 3 for 1 . CMM programmer/operator, layout tech, and gage/calibration tech. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10806-2021-shifting-circle-base-alignment/#findComment-52326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[He...] Posted March 9, 2022 Author Share Posted March 9, 2022 Please sign in to view this quote. I'm a Gear Engineer. I do inspection, calibration, design. D: All of the above. But I was brought into this only 3 years ago. I wasn't sent to school for the Zeiss. I should have been. I was taught the basics to measure master gear calibrations over and over again. But when it comes to something new, its something new. I have some time off for the rest of the week right now. The Zeiss has to wait. So I will be going through this website and looking at tutorials, and videos for any free information I can absorb before returning to work on Monday. The project is still waiting for me on Monday, along with a steel plate with holes I need to measure. Nothing like being thrown multiple new projects at once. And I am supposed to teach the new guy how to use it. Not sure how when I am not confident in myself. So I appreciate everyone's help and assistance. Did you guys learn by doing, self-taught, or did you take classes? Just curious. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10806-2021-shifting-circle-base-alignment/#findComment-52328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Heather, I see you're from New England. I work for the Zeiss Dealer for the New England area. Was Derek the retiree? Though, I don't be he was old enough to retire...lol Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10806-2021-shifting-circle-base-alignment/#findComment-52330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Er...] Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Please sign in to view this quote. D All of the above 😃 Plus I took CAD drafting in high school and went into CNC machining. The Zeiss Portal looks like it has some good videos. The forums are the best school. I try to read new posts at least once a week to learn. If the knowledge is already in my head it can give me a clue. 😃 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10806-2021-shifting-circle-base-alignment/#findComment-52332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[He...] Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 Please sign in to view this quote. No. His name was Jon. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/10806-2021-shifting-circle-base-alignment/#findComment-52334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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