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Good Morning,

We have a long probe that is 1mmX120mm. We calibrate it using a small reference sphere, tensor mode with a force of 30mN and 20% dynamic, but starts to bend when touching off on the sphere.
Does anyone know if that is normal or if I need to change the force and the dynamic percentage? Looks like its going to snap.

Thank You,
Nixon Uruchima
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That is an incredibly small, but long probe.

I don't know how you are going to get that qualified.

The lowest setting on an active head is 50mN. I don't think that is going to be low enough.
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What do you mean by what type of sensor?
I am using Vast XT with a reference sphere of 0.15748 Radius.
Contura
Tensor Mode.
Measuring Force for Probing System Qualification: 30mN
Probing Dynamic in %: 20%
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We've gotten it qualified before but it does flex/bend when doing so. Just wanted to see if that was normal or what would the normal procedure be.
It is something Zeiss facility used for one of our parts when we had them build us a program.

The lowest that ive done is 30mN. anything lower and the head starts going backwards after a few points.
I just worry this thing will snap at any time from all the flexing.
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I mean probe head ,it is vastxt. Usually l do qualification 1mm probe with 100mN and 100% dynamic, I also use vast XT.
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Wow... OK.

Yeah, it's normal for it to do that if it is that unrigid. I've seen 1mmx40 do that, so I can't even imagine your stylus.
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Shabu,

His problem is the fact that is probe is super long, and skinny. If it was a typical 1mmx20 or shorter he wouldn't have this problem.
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The qualification routine is actually measuring the amount of bending, so yes it is normal, but I have a hard time visualizing a 1mm x 120mm probe. I can imagine it is bending a lot.

Can you post a picture?
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When it touches off on the sphere it touches 2 times on the same spot before moving to the next spot.
The first time it backs off right after touching it but the second time it puts more force I guess until it bends and then relaxes back into position.

I usually get a deviation of .0018 every time I calibrate this thing.
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Your guess is correct,the probing force will be different in second time but Zeiss will not supply a probe that cannot be calibrated.
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So the bending is normal?
And is it ok to use 30 for force and 20% for dynamic?
Zeiss employee told me to use low force and low dynamic when calibrating small probes like our 0.5mm. So that is why I have low force and dynamic for our 1mm.
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Yes, the bending is normal. Watch the lower right-hand corner of the LCD screen on the joystick controller box. You'll see the probing force values used for each point taken. The variation in the point readings help determine the bending map of the stylus.

Thanks for the picture. Do you have a backup probe handy? 😃
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😱 🤣 I will def ask my supervisor and engineers to put an order for extra ones.
Thanks a lot for the help.
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No way in a million years is that thing qualifying.

Rotary adapter, with a knuckle, plus the length, and only 1mm. That sounds like a nightmare.

I would replace the rotary adapter with a solid shaft. You need more rigidity.
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Solid shaft? is that the long adapter? I have used that but then the little cube at the bottom is not straight. That is the reason I used to rotary adapter so I can straighten it out
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I'm not a fan of trying to square up a stylus system on the MT plates that way. Unless you have the FixAssist it is a pain in the butt. I suggest using the 30mmxØ20mm Rotary Joint. I've used these religiously with great success.
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Richards idea is actually better until you bring the PO for the FixAssist and the 30mmxØ20mm Rotary Joint to management.

If you really want to be accurate without the equipment then you can make cylinder on the reference sphere with the shank of the stylus to get the exact A1/A2 angles.
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I'd definitely want to verify the stylus accuracy by checking a ring gauge (ID) or plug gauge (OD) around the same size you're using it to check to see if it's actually measuring the size correctly.

I've attached an older document on how to use the gauge correction feature but, it should still be relevant.
Could probably select the F1 key and search for the current instructions.

Gauge Correction Qualification inst.doc

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