[SH...] Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Sorry for the wrong post... Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Best way to learn things is reading Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted June 2, 2020 Author Share Posted June 2, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. Waw, tit for tat..... But iam wet behind ears .. Iam confused following which option to use. LSQ-2D-Best Fit = Calculates the average best fit pattern, good for dialing in manufacturing process, but not for functional evaluation. L1 – Best Fit = Similar to LSQ-2D, but less influenced by outliers and better for dialing in a manufacturing process. Minimum-2D-Best Fit = Calculates a pattern such that the smallest maximum deviation occurs between a features ideal location and actual location. Simulates a Go / No-go gage. Outliers have a large impact on result. Tolerance-2D-Best Fit = Applies the minimum 2D best fit and additional Zeiss calculations to closely simulate the Go / No-go gage. Will iterate and attempt to fit the features within the tolerance zones. This evaluation is considered the best fit for functional evaluation(Carl Zeiss, Best Fit of Patterns Presentation, 2003). In more current versions of Calypso, this is refered to as View Tolerance (without MMC / LMC of references) Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Did you find my advice helpful? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted June 2, 2020 Author Share Posted June 2, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. Yes, reading is the best way to learn ,no doubt about it. But we can't learn swimming by reading book, every thing have a limit. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 I think you get my point. But just in case... This is a peer to peer group. People that give help are doing it for free and using their time to try and help others. This group is a gift. My advice to you would be to keep that in mind when you go looking for help from others. There are a lot of smart people here that give to this community selflessly. People usually ask questions because they're in a tough spot. Maybe they don't have time to search for an answer. Maybe they've already read the literature but still have questions. Please keep that in mind when you decide to offer people advice. There may come a day that you are in the same situation. To answer your question... there doesn't appear from the drawing to be a need for best fit as the holes are individually dimensioned and have separate locations independent of each other. You also can't convert the linear dimensions to True position straight away. 2 different tolerance zone shapes. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted June 2, 2020 Author Share Posted June 2, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. He asked something, I don't know that topic, i think it was something with rotary table. My intention was give him some direction to the solution.. that all.To be honest I got lot of solution from the Manuel. Suppose I used true position what option should use ,the default method...I want to be functionaly fit then the design requirements.. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Da...] Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 With a thread Gage. If your are asking if you should use best fit or not? the answer is no. The part is not True Position so best fit doesn't apply. It is XY position tolerancing (Square Tolerance Zone). Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted June 2, 2020 Author Share Posted June 2, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. Ok , I manipulated the things, my country is still under lookdown so l have lot of leisure time with CMM. I was conducting a dryrun on best fit bore pattern, my intention was which option should I use in the above mentioned four methods, I got that from CMM quarterly website, I used that drawing just for a reference.. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Da...] Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 I can show you how to Program a Bore pattern Tomorrow when I am at work Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Cl...] Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Why give the guy a hard time, just help him. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. Yeah, I don't understand the point of not offering help. Shabu, feel free to reach out via PM, and I can assist you. Thanks. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Me...] Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I offered him help. I didn't see anybody else other than Daniel do the same. I made my statements because I think they needed to be made. I don't appreciate in any form people talking down to or belittling other people. Apparently I'm off base so I will refrain from offering my advice in the future. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[An...] Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. Just go on,Rob! Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Da...] Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Wow, Sorry didn't get time yesterday it was crazy I will get on the other Laptop and show you how to program a best fit bore pattern. Thanks Dan Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Da...] Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Here is how you create a Bore Pattern and Best Fit Bore Pattern Remember the holes can be in any shape Hold ctrl key to select the features Thanks DanCapture.PNGCapture1.PNG Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. Is there any chance to add MMB to my location datum?? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Da...] Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Please sign in to view this quote. You add that on the True Position call out where it is set to base alignment Put in Datum -A- and Datum -B- and Select MMB Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 You have to switch it over to "View Tolerance" to use MMB/LMB. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/15604-bore-pattern-evaluation/#findComment-84682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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