[Ri...] Posted February 21, 2025 Share Posted February 21, 2025 In a half-remembered dream I remember being able to have a feature that has its own independent pattern, and then if that feature lived in a group I could place a pattern on the group which would essentially pattern a pattern. If that is still possible, I cannot get it to work. It only sees the pattern on the feature, even if I tell it to measure the group. Thoughts? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Da...] Posted February 21, 2025 Share Posted February 21, 2025 Are you running in characteristics order or feature order? I would imagine, that it might only work if you ran the plan in feature order. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted February 21, 2025 Author Share Posted February 21, 2025 Yeah - I'm running in the feature order. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Je...] Posted February 24, 2025 Share Posted February 24, 2025 Please sign in to view this quote. Following. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted February 25, 2025 Share Posted February 25, 2025 If I am following this correctly. I created a 6-hole pattern around a 1 inch BC. Then I created a pattern of the 6 holes (as its own pattern) for 6 times around an 8 inch BC. I was unable to get the secondary pattern to function, it only seems to see the primary pattern. Test program attached in v2022. Pattern in a Pattrn test v2022.zip Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ma...] Posted February 25, 2025 Share Posted February 25, 2025 (edited) I've tried something in 5mins yesterday and had no luck. Even brackets did not help. Not sure if it can be done. Never tried macro, but seem no work either Edited February 25, 2025 Added macro Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ch...] Posted February 25, 2025 Share Posted February 25, 2025 Well I managed to do it following Zeiss KB article : https://portal.zeiss.com/knowledge-base?id=523014 with the use of 'macros' They claim patterning a pattern won't work - I think I can understand why. However do I think someone on here could do it with a bit of crafty PCM ? - probably .. Anyways - program attached for reference - saved in Calypso 2023- its what I use as my main version - if you need v2022 let me know. Not ideal I realize, but works ! Good luck ! Pattern in a Pattrn test v2023.zip 1 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted February 25, 2025 Share Posted February 25, 2025 v2022 please and thank you. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Je...] Posted February 25, 2025 Share Posted February 25, 2025 (edited) Nice work, Chris! You are hereby awarded: I hope that you are sincerely appreciated in your workplace. You've got skills to pay the bills. Edited February 25, 2025 2 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ch...] Posted February 25, 2025 Share Posted February 25, 2025 Thanks Jeff ... I dont take much credit , just followed the Knowledge Base - I do have a knack for digging for answers until I exhaust all avenues. fading slightly off topic - when are forum "likes" coming back ? Jeff - What do you think they should be called? Likes? Kudos? Props?? 😄 Something else ?? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ch...] Posted February 25, 2025 Share Posted February 25, 2025 Rich, V2022 attached as requested Pattern in a Pattern test v2022 Rev1 CR.zip Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Je...] Posted February 25, 2025 Share Posted February 25, 2025 Please sign in to view this quote. Great questions, Chris. I think something similar to LinkedIn would be professional yet engaging (Like, Love, Insightful, Celebrate, etc). The best scenario would be to have Zeiss consult with Social Platform Engineers or UX/UI Designers. Engagement = growth Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ch...] Posted February 26, 2025 Share Posted February 26, 2025 Here's another solution - made a theoretical feature to align to (+X) {pattern this feature 6x60° for REF) Alignment is now patterned. Circle small hole with - choose Alignment *1 Circle small hole with - choose Alignment *2 Circle small hole with - choose Alignment *3 Circle small hole with - choose Alignment *4 Circle small hole with - choose Alignment *5 Circle small hole with - choose Alignment *6 If you're not a huge fan of macros - I like that we have the option - just like to keep everything contained in same program when possible. This may be quicker programming wise as well. So can't pattern a pattern BUT can pattern an alignment. I still think there's more of a 'one shot' way of doing this - just need to think about it some more. Pattern in a Pattrn test v2022 V2.zip 1 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted February 28, 2025 Share Posted February 28, 2025 How to apply a different evaluation on a diameter measured with pattern? I would like to avaluate the same diameter with GAUSS and Maximum inscribed. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Je...] Posted March 3, 2025 Share Posted March 3, 2025 Please sign in to view this quote. Hi Miguel. There are a couple different ways to apply different evaluation methods to the instances of a pattern. One method is to create a diameter characteristic and recall only one instance of your pattern: Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted March 3, 2025 Share Posted March 3, 2025 Please sign in to view this quote. That is wicked! I want to use this to leave some REALLY confusing programs in my wake...sorry next guy! Unfortunately I just finished a task where I could have used this, no points in going back now 😞 Also, lets get the thumbs up called "Hero Biscuits"! 1 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted March 3, 2025 Share Posted March 3, 2025 Hero Biscuits. I'm dead...🤣😂 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Je...] Posted March 4, 2025 Share Posted March 4, 2025 Please sign in to view this quote. Absolutely. Or M.E. Biscuits (Maximum Effort) Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted March 5, 2025 Author Share Posted March 5, 2025 (edited) Thank you for your work on this, Chris. I guess I should have known there would be KB article about this. Hahahaha. Everyone's assistance and input is greatly valued and appreciated. Cheers. Edited March 5, 2025 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted March 6, 2025 Share Posted March 6, 2025 Please sign in to view this quote. Thanks! If I place a condition in the feature to evaluate a pattern diameter in two ways: Gauss and maximum inscribed, will it work? Best regards, Miguel Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted March 6, 2025 Share Posted March 6, 2025 Sorry, I meant to say a condition in the feature. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ch...] Posted March 7, 2025 Share Posted March 7, 2025 (edited) a bit off topic, but putting this condition on 2 characteristics with diff evals might be a better option - if you needed to evaluate the 2 sizes on the fly - it could theoretically possibly be done on the features side, with either recalling points and/or PCM. technically conditions can only be on characteristics I beleive. Edited March 7, 2025 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ma...] Posted March 10, 2025 Share Posted March 10, 2025 Please sign in to view this quote. Also sorry for the Offtopic, but it might be interesting for someone, if you open the "version" file within the inspection folder you can edit the CALYPSO revision to your current version and often make inspections "compatible" again. But please note this doesn't work every time (depending on the Characteristics for example) also if there is a bigger gap between the revisions it could cause issues within the CNC run. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-127959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted March 11, 2025 Share Posted March 11, 2025 Please sign in to view this quote. You don't even need to edit the file. Just delete the version file. It will create a new one when you open the measurement plan and save it. 1 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/22528-pattern-a-pattern/#findComment-128065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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