[Ri...] Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Just an FYI - Planner/Simulation will not longer simulate correctly if the model for your part is still set to machine coordinate zero (top-left corner). In the past, this was never a requirement, but it appears that it is forced in 8.0 now. You can move this at any point, it will not have any effect on your program if you do it before or after it is programmed. Before model is moved (hard to see, but essentially it just doesn't move). After model is moved. In the Measurement Plan Simulation - select Modify CAD Model - on the Positioning tab - select your CAD Model - enter the appropriate Translation values (you can always start with half of your measuring volume) - click Apply. 1 2 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/25811-calypso-80-planner-simulation/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ch...] Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Perhaps in an effort to make the CMM behave more realistically and not move outside it's normal travel range, etc ?? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/25811-calypso-80-planner-simulation/#findComment-145949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted February 10 Author Share Posted February 10 Maybe, but it would be nice to have an option to disable it. In training, students have to use Simulation, and now this adds an additional step for a student. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/25811-calypso-80-planner-simulation/#findComment-145951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ka...] Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Richard, Thank you for your research and the short videos. Fortunately, we have not had to simulate any machines so far, so the component was and is always at the machine origin. The displacement has rarely worked properly for us. In most cases, the coordinate system was displaced and this displacement could not be reversed. However, the "old" Planner version did not correctly simulate exceeding the measuring space (end stop), nor did it detect collisions with its own geometry (table, side parts, probe rack). Our CONTURA 700x700x1000 was not available as a simulation model. I don't know whether this variant is included in CALYPSO 8.0. But if the planner no longer works without the correct CMM model, there's no point in installing it in the first place. It is not always necessary to load and simulate large graphics. I believe it is imperative to switch off the machine simulation. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/25811-calypso-80-planner-simulation/#findComment-145977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 Karsten, The machine simulation is turned on by default, but regardless you have to perform the translation with or without it on. I only showed the machine in this case to showcase why it wasn't working correctly. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/25811-calypso-80-planner-simulation/#findComment-145983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Wo...] Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Please sign in to view this quote. Noticed the same thing, took me a nice few minutes to figure out what's going on. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/25811-calypso-80-planner-simulation/#findComment-146037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ni...] Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) We noticed the same thing a few months back (model must be entirely within the virtual machine measuring volume.) I was actually on a call with Zeiss regarding several issues with this being one of them and inquired about potential remedies (there isn't anything useful en masse). It's pretty ridiculous they made this a requirement for the simulation to function. When a model is imported it always defaults to machine zero (with no way to default it somewhere else.) I was even having problems where the CAD will revert back to machine zero for no reason at all, so even if you save the program with the model away from zero it can default back to it, rending simulation broken again. We decided not to upgrade because of this and several other issues with discovered with the version. I mean, we have 5000+ programs, so if we update to version 8 the simulation is essentially broken on every one of them unless the model is moved (and apparently, we can't even reliably move it permanently...) Edited February 13 1 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/25811-calypso-80-planner-simulation/#findComment-146173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pa...] Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 It's frustrating to pay as much money as we do every year to be beta testers of undocumented software changes. Thanks Richard. 2 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/25811-calypso-80-planner-simulation/#findComment-146189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Te...] Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 The RDS Head you have to put it to the table and then offset if 50mm in Z to get to work correctly Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/25811-calypso-80-planner-simulation/#findComment-146239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ro...] Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 New service pack out, and Planner still broken. Choose just to see baseplate, and it shows bottom half of a CMM, and the actual baseplate is hidden inside of it somewhere. Rotary table also is hidden inside of machine. 8.0 is looking more and more like a skip it revision. 1 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/25811-calypso-80-planner-simulation/#findComment-147791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ka...] Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Robert, I didn’t expect anything else! It’s simply unbelievable that Zeiss delivers such poor-quality software. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/25811-calypso-80-planner-simulation/#findComment-147797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sh...] Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I'm still having a problem with the MasterProbe not showing with 2025, latest service pack (8.0.12). I worked with the Zeiss Apps Engineer - Charlie Turch ages ago on this because we found a significant ZAS glitch and it rendered 2025 unusable for our company but I don't remember our method to getting the MasterProbe to show 😞 The old method was just importing the SSC, it would show up and then you would just close it and it worked. That method now does not work. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/25811-calypso-80-planner-simulation/#findComment-147865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Wo...] Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Please sign in to view this quote. It's Windows 8 of CMM software. For me, the service packs did improve from completely unusable to practically useless. Collision detection doesn't work at all even if entire stylus system and column go thru the part. Importing SSC files is borked (ignores probes, tip numbers, messes up vectors, adds non-existent probe with number "0"). Tried a completely new PC with no Calypso on it before to start completely fresh - still the same issues. The problem is - I don't believe the next version will be much better. 2 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/25811-calypso-80-planner-simulation/#findComment-148097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ro...] Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Decided to give it another try after the latest patch, and yea, still avoiding 8.0. I tried an uninstall and reinstall with latest SP and patch, and I think it is actually worse than it was before. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/25811-calypso-80-planner-simulation/#findComment-149693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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