[Zo...] Posted March 4, 2024 Share Posted March 4, 2024 The axis of the moving probe seem to be mixed up with relationship to the shown probe on the screen, so in reality when the probe moves up and down along the Z axis, the "shown probe" is moving along the X axis, and visa-versa. The Y axis seems to be unaffected. Just qualified all probes today. Why does this happen? I don't recall making any changes to this program, since the last time I ran it, about 2-3 years ago. It is clear on the picture that the part orientation is correct, well, the XYZ axis are shown correctly, as intended. Naturally, the probe is running into that part and the program cannot be executed. Can anyone tell me what to do to fix it? Thanksaxis mixed up.JPG Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ju...] Posted March 4, 2024 Share Posted March 4, 2024 Is the feature being measured set to a different alignment than the Base Alignment? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 4, 2024 Author Share Posted March 4, 2024 Please sign in to view this quote. no, all features are referenced to the base alignment. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ju...] Posted March 4, 2024 Share Posted March 4, 2024 Have you tried restarting the CMM controller and computer running Calypso? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted March 4, 2024 Share Posted March 4, 2024 Go to Plan > Navigation > Block edges Are the boxes with the circles at the bottom? if not, something has gone wrong with your base alignment. Redo the manual alignment. If that doesnt work post a picture of your base alignment Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted March 4, 2024 Share Posted March 4, 2024 Did you check Clereance plane in Measurement Plan tab? You may be using the machine's clereance plane instead of clereance plane base alignemnt. What's the orientation of your part on the machine? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 4, 2024 Author Share Posted March 4, 2024 Please sign in to view this quote. I just did, to no avail, it is still going to the wrong location. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted March 4, 2024 Share Posted March 4, 2024 Here's something that fixes a lot of issues. Not sure it will fix yours, but what can it hurt to try? Resources > Utilities > Set Base Alignment to Zero. Perform a new manual alignment. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 4, 2024 Author Share Posted March 4, 2024 Please sign in to view this quote. The clearance plane is referencing the Base alignment in the Measurement tab. The part orientation on the table is exactly as shown on the picture. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 4, 2024 Author Share Posted March 4, 2024 Please sign in to view this quote. yes Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Cl...] Posted March 4, 2024 Share Posted March 4, 2024 Are you sure that the stylus you are using is the same one displayed in the stoplight? Could the wrong stylus have been chosen causing the graphic to look wrong? Is it a star probe? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 4, 2024 Author Share Posted March 4, 2024 Please sign in to view this quote. This is the base alignment, and the Block edges, with the circles on the side, not the bottom. How can I change that?block edge wrong.JPGBASE ALIGNMNT.JPG Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 4, 2024 Author Share Posted March 4, 2024 Please sign in to view this quote. Yes, they are the same probes. I am using a star probe, 3, and 5 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 4, 2024 Author Share Posted March 4, 2024 Please sign in to view this quote. And the graphics show an upside down "down" probe, I am not even using a down probe here Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted March 4, 2024 Share Posted March 4, 2024 Please sign in to view this quote. Your Base Alignment is flipped. You can likely just go Resources > Utilities > Set Base Alignment to Zero, Then redo the manual alignment and it'll be good. If you check the block edges again after "Set Base Alignment to Zero" you should see the circles move to the bottom. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted March 5, 2024 Share Posted March 5, 2024 Please sign in to view this quote. There's an echo in here....LOL Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 5, 2024 Author Share Posted March 5, 2024 Please sign in to view this quote. yes, after resetting the base alignement (I also did another manual base alignment) to zero the circles moved to the bottom, but now the probe starts moving diagonally upward in the +Z and +Y direction in the CNC mode, on the first approach, so back to the drawing board... Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ja...] Posted March 5, 2024 Share Posted March 5, 2024 try using a start alignment with a circle for your Y&Z origins, I've seen where a cylinder not taking the same as programmed causes issues. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted March 5, 2024 Share Posted March 5, 2024 Are you sure you don't have any Special Functions on alignment? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 5, 2024 Author Share Posted March 5, 2024 Please sign in to view this quote. There is nothing there Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 5, 2024 Author Share Posted March 5, 2024 Please sign in to view this quote. What could this angle be?start alignment angle.JPG Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted March 5, 2024 Share Posted March 5, 2024 Show us your full Start Alignment. That angle is the Planar Rotation angle set about the Spatial Rotation. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 5, 2024 Author Share Posted March 5, 2024 Please sign in to view this quote. I Special rotated the Start alignment around the X axis by that -109.311 degrees, and now the start alignment lines up with the base alignment as shown here. It was off by that 109.311 degreesstart algnmnt.JPGaligned strt+bs.JPG Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ja...] Posted March 5, 2024 Share Posted March 5, 2024 Please sign in to view this quote. It appears you are using cylinders in your start alignment. Try using the plane from your BA for the spatial and X axis, a circle for Y&Z and the same intersection point for the planar. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted March 5, 2024 Share Posted March 5, 2024 Then the problem is the intersection in the second datum. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/6092-axis-mixed-up/#findComment-23322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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