Multi Sensor Rack (MSR) safety movement

[[Je...]]

Hey together,

I can´t find the setting for this problem:

when the Accura puts a probe in the upper rack, it moves to Z- max before getting another probe from the lower rack. When it changes in the same row it stays in the same height. Just if it´s a change from lower to upper.

It´s not necessary on our machine and I like to change this setting, but I can´t find it. It´s not inside the settings window for approach parameters.

Thanks in advance 🙂

[[Je...]]

Can you post a screenshot of your Approach parameters for the "current" pocket and the "destination" pocket? Please verify that there are not ANY "defined paths" for any of the 3 options in either pocket. If there is, please include this as well.

[[Je...]]

Also, in the Auto Stylus Change window, select the top-left drop down that says "EDIT". From this drop-down select "PRINT ALL STYLUS HOLDER". Post/attach that created PDF.

[[Je...]]

Hi Jeffrey,

here are the informations you requested.

Stylus holder A-G are in the upper row, H- L in the lower row.

There are no defined paths, I checked for every holder.

I also tried to set everything to 0. It works as I expected. I just can´t find this safety move to Z- max.

I have a small correction to my question: It just moves to Z- max when changing from upper row to lower row.



Thank you!

Screenshot 2023-06-02 064251.pngScreenshot 2023-06-02 064201.pngall stylus holder.pdf

[[No...]]

Our two new Conturas do the exact same thing. Also no paths defined. It doesn't bother me, but this behavior is possibly hard-coded either in the controller (macro?) or in Calypso.

[[Je...]]

Danke Norbert, das befürchte ich auch.

Das Ding braucht ohnehin schon so lang zum Tasterwechsel, da nervt mich der unnötige Weg einfach 🫣

Und irgendwoher muss das Gerät ja auch wissen, welche Halter oben und unten sind. Vielleicht ist es ja in einer editierbaren Datei gespeichert. Die Hoffnung stirbt zuletzt 🙂

[[No...]]

Vom ProMax weiß ich halt, daß da im Controller ein Steuermakro lief, das jeweils die Aufnahme bzw. Ablage eines Tasters ab Übergabepunkt gesteuert hat. Also alle Bewegungen ins Magazin und wieder raus hat das Makro gemacht. Die Bewegungen zwischen den Plätzen übernahm dann wieder Calypso. Ich hab noch nicht zweifelsfrei rausgefunden, ob das MSR (bzw. jeder feste Ablageplatz) auch von einem Makro bedient wird, aber wenn, dann dürfte es ähnlich funktionieren. D.h. dann wäre die Z-Bewegung Sache von Calypso, weil sie zwischen den Plätzen passiert. Aber so wie ich den Aufbau von Calypso kenne, gibt es da keine Konfigurationsmöglichkeit, sondern das ist eher fest im Code verankert, wenn die Plätze auf verschiedenen Ebenen liegen. Das wird auch nicht in den Pfaddefinitionen oder bei der Einfahrrichtung auftauchen, weil es eben ein Sonderfall (verschiedene Ebenen) ist, der dort nicht abgebildet ist.

[[Ma...]]

We just had a basic training at our machine and mr. trainer changed that - so before it was going from upper to lower rack with Z+ move - now it's doing without that, so there must be a way. Also he increased safety distance after change of probe ( it was going about 5mm from probe holders )

[[Je...]]

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Thank you for that info!
Can you ask your trainer about that? Sometimes they leave their contact for further questions. If not, no problem.

[[To...]]

One holder is moving 200mm up before and after change. The other one is not moving.

If you want all holders to move up to Z+ limit, edit Top values on Before and After Change to 999. The specific value is not important as long as it is large enough to reach the limit.

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[[Ma...]]

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Perhaps Tom posted what you want - on Monday i'll look for that window. He strugled too - could not find it, but now it works - no further useless +Z then -Z paths.

[[Je...]]

Exactly.

This is what your Approach Parameters should look like. If you are using an RDS then I recommend Z+ 999 for all TOP BEFORE/AFTER changes (as it forces the head to a clear location before any rotations occur) but not necessary for a properly configured measurement plan using VAST/XT.

The APPROACH (Y) 100 value shown is only if your stylus sticks out +Y from the sensor. This is giving clearance so that the stylus clears the pocket during the -Z and +Z move during pickup/dropoff. IE - MasterProbe can utilize full "0.000" in all fields.

[[To...]]

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Didn't want to jump into your conversation but it looked like you were away or busy.

[[Je...]]

By all means, jump in!!! 🙂

[[Je...]]

Thank you, Tom and Jeffrey,

but I don´t wanna move to Z- max 🙂 We don´t have RDS and I don´t need the movement.

The holders in the lower row move 200mm up before/ after changing. That´s ok, we always have the calibration sphere installed and so they always move over the sphere.

The movement of the machine is just when it has no probe installed. It´s so ridiculous unnecessary. It put´s the probe in the holder (upper row), then moves to Z- max, move at Z- max to the lower row, and then takes the probe. So like this it doesn´t even make sense for RDS, because it has already put the probe in the holder.

It could just move on the same height to the holder of the lower row.

[[Ma...]]

Here is our settings - lower rack is distanced 100mm from upper rack in -Y direction, so that could be it.
Upper rack
Lower rack

[[Je...]]

For "Wechsler F" (holder F, upper row) movement top is set to zero.

For lower row it is set to 200, because we need that movement. If I set this to 0, it still makes the movement to z-max, which I don´t need. It just doesn´t move the 200mm, which I need.

[[Ma...]]

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Try editing "Einfahrrichtung" see attachment - add your distance - this should avoid +Z max between changes from upper to lower.

[[Je...]]

That was it!

Thank you very much, Martin. If you´re ever around you get free coffee 🙂