[Zo...] Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I manually aligned my part and when it goes into cnc mode the probe is moving away from the part instead of probing it. The XYZ origin is the center of the hole as I marked it, Calypso sees it but in run mode it cannot find the part. Can anyone tell me what I am missing here?IMG_7534.JPGIMG_7532.JPG Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Can I ask the screenshot of your base alignment?? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. CertainlyBase alignment scr sht.JPG Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 2D lines space axis is X+ or X-?? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. X+ Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Check your clearance plane, Check your strategy to all features, Check your stylus are correct, Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 You probably should be using a 3d line, if you're recalling the 2 circles. Not sure if that would be the cause of your problem though. Also, following behind Shabu's question. Did you force the X+ direction in the Planar rotation or did it populate at +X on its' own? When doing manual alignment, make sure to follow the sequence the way Calypso wants you to. If you did the 2 circles in the wrong order, it might have rotated your alignment 180° Your part looks like the USA after the big climate change. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. Originally I used the back wall for Planar alignment but I changed it when it didn't work, created the 2D line between the two holes, and now I changed it to a 3D line, and still does the same, moving away from the part instead of probing it. The +X was populated by Calypso, and followed the order of pick ups to the T...to no avail Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Done the base alignment manually two or three times, then check the vectors of each features, i suspect it might be flipped... Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. First I thought the top surface strategy was bad, I checked it and found nothing wrong (???), then I tried to execute other features but the probe moves away from the part no matter which feature I try to probe, Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. I am still puzzled why Calypso assigned a +X to the planar feature, I think it should be +Y, tried that too, but that changes the origin orientation / rotates the part, so I am out of ideas Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 The direction of the line is based on the selection order of the 2 circles used to create the 3d line. If you select the left circle, then the right circle, the space axis will be +X and vice versa. Can you post a screen shot of the TOP plane, showing strategy on CAD model? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. SureTOP PLANE STRATEGY.JPG Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Ok. One last request. A screenshot of your clearance cube Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. CLEARANCE CUBE.JPG Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I lied. One more request. Open BA and click Execute Manual Alignment button at lower right corner. Perform manual alignment. Close BA window. Open TOP plane, right click in CAD window and select Show Actuals. If the green arrows are not on the CAD model, your BA is probably corrupt and you may have to start over with a new program. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. Well, did manual alignment and the nominals show nothing at all...NOMINALS.JPG Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. This is what I told him, l have faced this same problem today, i used a point for Z zero, that point goes 20 mm down in cnc mode. When I change that point to manual mode got good results, when change to cnc again collusion.. wonder... Finally i created new program,now everything fine. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. Now it is more clear, so your points off from the model. Are you using correct tip number?? Just for clarification.. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. Correction: Nominals do show, just turned them off here, but actuals show nothing Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. Zoom all, usually it will be outside somewhere else 😂 Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. Yes, only use one stylus, a 3MM down probe, thats what is selected everywhere in the programStylus.JPG Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SH...] Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. Z plus, clearance plane would be better... Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. Zoom way out. You'll probably see them elsewhere. This usually indicates that you'll need to create a new base alignment with new features. If you were just starting your program, I'd probably start over from the beginning. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Zo...] Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 Please sign in to view this quote. This program was done a month ago, and it actually ran, not sure why it isn't running now, could just be corrupted, but I rarely blame the system, usually think that I did something wrong, like my old instructor in computer technology class said: remember! computers do not make mistakes, but people do !! So I always look for my own mistake first. But I may have to start over this time Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8454-alignment-disoriented/#findComment-37508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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