[To...] Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Picture below is for a functional gage use in mfg process. Due to the length of the Datum A feature, position results at the other end can be quite unstable. Unlike a shaft with a bearing journal on each end, designated as A and B (A-B), I don't see creating a datum structure like that. Possibly changing datum A to the larger, longer diameter??? How would you change the dimensioning in order to make the inspection more repeatable yet still produce an accurate functional gage? All 3 diameters are used but I don't know how much of the larger diameter is used. I assume a portion of the larger diameter is merely a handle.pin gage.jpg Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8990-design-suggestions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ma...] Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Why can not be the longest cylinder as main base? Everything have M on itself and on A too. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8990-design-suggestions/#findComment-40872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Da...] Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Seeing that everything is on the same center line I would use the largest cylinder as datum -A- and then use run out for the small cylinder instead of position. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8990-design-suggestions/#findComment-40874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ke...] Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 I would not want to make any changes/suggestions (as the inspector) without knowing the exact function/application. ...based on just the info I have in front of me, I would consider making the second smallest diameter (between A & B) Datum C, and checking the position of the largest diameter to Position to A-C Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8990-design-suggestions/#findComment-40876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[To...] Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 Please sign in to view this quote. Functional fit of firing pin hole on bolt action rifleScreenshot 2022-12-06 145342.jpg Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8990-design-suggestions/#findComment-40878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ma...] Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Thx for sharing Tom. The longest cylinder will have bigger tolerances due to usage and friction, so as Keith suggested - i would take middle one - crucial on this part will be the smallest cylinder, but all fitting will be upon middle one. But we are talking about really tight tolerances right? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8990-design-suggestions/#findComment-40880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ke...] Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Very cool. Based on the application, I would lean toward this (attached) It looks like only a small area of the smallest diameter (currently Datum A) is a functional area; so you may want to consider defining a target area to evaluate to New Datum A For the largest diameter, it looks like the full length is used after the smallest diameter has fully engaged; so my preferred datums for evaluating that would be the A-C co-datums. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8990-design-suggestions/#findComment-40882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ro...] Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Since all 3 diameters simultaneously fit at the same time on the same axis, I would use all 3 diameters as the alignment. A-B-C as co-datums for the primary. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8990-design-suggestions/#findComment-40884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ri...] Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 I've worked on fire arms in the past. This is the typical measurement back then. Hope this helpsScreenshot 2022-12-06 145342.jpg Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/8990-design-suggestions/#findComment-40886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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