[Mi...] Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 We are soon to be in the market for another optical machine. We are looking at the Keyence VR-6000 along with the Zeiss smartproof5. Anyone out there have any of these machines and if so do you like what it does for you? If not, is there another brand that we could look at as well?? We are liking what the VR-6000 does with the profile, flatness, roughness etc.. Just seeing if there is something else out there we could look at and get a demo. Google is full of companies some of which I have never heard of with these types of machines. Mike Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ro...] Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 We have a Keyence IM series, i use it pretty much daily. It takes a long time to get comfortable programming it, but just like anything else its just a learning curve. We do not have the Profile dongle, so i use it when we have high volume parts, small parts, and parts with lots of True Positions and linear dims, but not much Profile & flatness. Sometimes ill write a program on the keyence to take care of the bulk of the measurements on a busy print, then write a very short program on Calypso just to do flatness and such. Big time saver. Of course the Keyence guy sends me emails EVERY WEEK saying "Ill be in town, when would be a good time to schedule a demo of the new 3D machine" but i just ignore those emails. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/#findComment-47110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ch...] Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 We have a Keyence vl 550 and we love it. Very good correlation to the CMM. Its about 100K for the full package. Please sign in to view this quote. If you know anyone who is lonely, then give their info to Keyence. They'll always have someone to talk to. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/#findComment-47112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ro...] Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Please sign in to view this quote. I wonder if the auto warranty guy needs a friend Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/#findComment-47114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Je...] Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 . Keyence is great, but the sales personnel are very aggressive and tend to exaggerate what their systems are capable of. There is no do-all measuring machine. As Robert alluded to, 3D profiles and flatness are still better captured on a tactile scanning CMM. . Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/#findComment-47116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Cl...] Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 We have a very old OGP Flash 200 that works great for minor in-process checks. We also have about 20 Keyence 6000, 7000, 8000 series units. If your looking to measure 2d stuff their great. The 8000 series we have has a rotary with a light probe. Very happy with it so far. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/#findComment-47118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ch...] Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Please sign in to view this quote. Two hours ago I went to Keyence website to see what a VR-6000 was. I've already gotten a call/voicemail plus an email. I'm scared to even browse their site. My phone will never stop ringing. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/#findComment-47120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Da...] Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 I have a SmartProof5 excellent system. Depends what your application is systems like Alicona and Taylor Hobson even Olympus have various types of surface topography systems. We got a Smartproof as it met our industrial needs and is very quick. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/#findComment-47122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sc...] Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 I have used both the IM series Keyence as well as the Micro-Vu series optical CMM's. I like them both depending on application. Keyence does oversell their machines and you will never have a lonely night just like everyone is saying. My biggest turn off with Keyence systems is their lack of ability to calibrate the machine. It's set at the factory and "never has to be done again". You can "verify" the machine with simple gages though and get good results. Micro-Vu takes a bit longer to run per part because it doesn't take snapshots of the parts, it has to find each feature again and focus then record the image. I have yet to use the Zeiss optical machine though, so unfortunately, no opinion there. Scott Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/#findComment-47124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ro...] Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Please sign in to view this quote. Wait, what??? We have a sticker on our machine that expired in 2020, before i hired into this company and i was trying to figure out how to calibrate the machine. We have a Starrett ceramic block in a box or random things for the Keyence, but no program that i can find has ever been used for daily, weekly, yearly calibration. There is a button to calibrate the light probe, but when i push it the light probe rotates out, turns on for about 2 seconds, then parks itself and says "successfully calibrated", but there is nothing that pops up on the screen to be printed or documented. i have it setup to do this at startup. Do you have a link to Keyence that says it's always good? That would be a good thing for me to have on hand. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/#findComment-47126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ch...] Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 The Keyence vision systems are totally able to be calibrated. Ours even came with two different calibration artifacts. You can send the artifacts back to Keyence for calibration. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/#findComment-47128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ph...] Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Please sign in to view this quote. Keyence IM Series Recertification Reference (pin).pdf Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/#findComment-47130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 Please sign in to view this quote. I bought the same pin for our IM when we bought it. I run it on both magnification modes moving it around the stage at different angle etc.. Verifies the machine for me and it's pretty quick I like the Keyence line not gonna lie. Hope to be adding another one soon!! Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/#findComment-47132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sc...] Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 The light calibration is just that, it adjusts the brightness of the light. Outside calibration labs will come in, measure a gage block and gage pin and call it good, but there is no actual way to calibrate a Keyence since they state it will never go out of spec (paraphrasing). Misread what you wrote, maybe they added a way to verify the machines in the last couple of years. I know the older systems cannot be calibrated. The IM 7 and 8000 might be different now. Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/#findComment-47134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ro...] Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Please sign in to view this quote. What tolerance do you use for your qualification program? Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/#findComment-47136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ph...] Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 We perform a measurement in wide field camera, high precision camera with link setting and high precision single photo setting and all tolerances .000078". All based on Keyence specifications. Note We have the IM-6225.Keyence IM-6225.png Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/#findComment-47138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 Looks like they bought the keyence VR machine. Hope to have it this week sometime Link to comment https://qualityforum.zeiss.com/topic/9930-looking-for-info/#findComment-47140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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