Adding Measurements through Monitor

[[Ja...]]

We have a few programs that when we run in Calypso, all it outputs is a pdf with the Manual Checks, via Textelement (see attached). It does not send any information to PiWeb, so i was wondering if there was a way to create/add new measurements through Monitor or if anyone has any other ideas? I have created the part in Planner and added the characteristics.
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[[La...]]

Using Text Element has no relationship to the manual characteristics you've created in Planner.

Do you plan on executing the manual measurements on the CMM computer? Is this why you have them showing up on an end-of-CNC report?

My advice would be to have an instance of PiWeb Monitor on an inspection bench where you can perform the manual checks.

You'll need to create a manual inspection template in Designer - ZEISS has some default objects that make this very easy - and then input your measurement data through Monitor.

[[Ja...]]

Disregard this post.....

[[Ja...]]

I should probably ask this a bit better, lol.

We have a few parts where the inspection is done manually only (too small for the probes we currently have setup), but I want to record the data in PiWeb. Normally when we have a job like this, we have a CMM Program that has just the Textelement with the manual checks on it (Order of run = From Characteristic List). The operator runs it to get a pdf report, then they fill out the pdf report in adobe. (see attached)

My intention was to see if there was a way to input a new measurement part into piweb without running the CMM program. Like a button in a report that adds the new measurement.

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[[Ja...]]

I guess no one has any ideas on this issue. I will see if anyone at Zeiss can answer as well.

[[La...]]

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Are you using PiWeb Reporting Plus? Or do you have PiWeb SBS/Enterprise?

If you are using PiWeb SBS or Enterprise, simply open Planner, expand the Part you want to add manual characteristics to, right click on that folder and go to New --> Characteristic. Then plug in the details for that manually inspected characteristic, such as nominal, upper/lower tolerance, gage group, etc. You may also want to add a 'flag' characteristic attribute that designates them as manual characteristics so they can be easily filtered to be shown on a manual inspection report and hide the CMM characteristics.

Then you can add a button to your CMM report where the action is linked to Open Report --> Manual Report.ptx (you would create this manual inspection template) and it would allow your inspector to enter these values while the CMM is running. Alternatively you can have this report open on a seat of Monitor elsewhere, like an inspection bench, where they can complete the remainder of the manual checks.

[[Ja...]]

Laura,
Again, I dont think I am explaining it very well in my posts. I have a report doing what you stated, but my problem is generating a new entry (part) into the PiWeb server without having to run a CMM program. We have parts that are strictly manual inspections on an optical comparator, surface finish, etc.. These parts we do not run on the CMM but instead we print out a .xlsx report and write the information in (or type it in and save a copy).

Currently, I don't know if there is a way to take that information and put it into the PiWeb Server as a new part (date/time/etc) so I can pull the information for a full report for the customer at a later time. Although I might be able to use a Q-das format of some kind, but again, not very familiar with that.

[[La...]]

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Examples of manual inspection templates that you can create:

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[[Ja...]]

I just saw something that might be what i am looking for. There is a Button identified as "Create New Measurement". If that generates a new measurement in Planner then that is what I need to add.

[[La...]]

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Your best bet is to skip the Excel portion entirely and eliminate the middle man. My suggestion would be to create a sheet like I posted in a previous reply and have the inspector plug this information directly into PiWeb - no upload required.

You will have to add a new part to Planner by right clicking on the server name, New --> Part. And then you can add your manual-only characteristics directly to that part. No CMM required.

If you have additional information that you want to provide to the inspector - for example, a picture of someone checking the part properly, with the correct tool - you can upload this to each characteristic in Planner as additional data. You can then make your characteristics "clickable" where the picture or work instruction associated to each characteristic will pop up as info to the user.

There are a couple different types of manual check sheets you can produce. The one I posted uses a table which is great when you have a large product offering, you can just reuse a generic inspection template and I have the CAD model there as additional data so it will change with every part number you activate in Data Provider.

The second one is a part specific template where you provide more hand-holding as to where those measurements must take place. Naturally, that is more work and probably depends on the competency of the inspectors if you have to make detailed templates like that.

I'm happy to help you use PiWeb to your advantage!

[[La...]]

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In Designer, there is a section called Measurement Input in the Tables & Directories section. It has a bunch of pre-made objects that help piece together a manual measurement template. One of which contains all of the necessary buttons to add a new measurement and navigate through existing measurements. There also needs to be a Write Changes or Save button in order to lock those measurements into the database. This collection is called Navigation Helper and looks like this:

You can also use some of the premade measurement input objects. There is one single piece template (measuring 1 piece at a time) and 2 different multi piece templates with measurements going across and characteristics going down, and vice versa.

They also give you a header made with Text Input fields and you can change these variables to match what you guys enter at the time of measurement (i.e, Work Order, Job Number, Inspector, Batch, so on).

Over time you can customize these and make your own but these are really good building blocks for creating new, manual only measurements.

Let me know if I can help.

[[Ja...]]

Laura,
The button "Create New Measurement", is that a formula/function created in Designer? If so, how is it written. I want to be able to use that to have it generate a new measurement in Planner that can record the information. Can you tell me how it works?

[[La...]]

Every object has the ability to activate an Action of some sort. Typically, we use buttons to do this but you can really use any object type.

Drag a button into your work area in Designer. Single select the button and go to the Properties tab.

In the properties for a button, Hyperlink is the first option. If you want other objects to have hyperlinks, you can find this at the very bottom of the properties for that object.

Conventionally we associate hyperlink with a link that goes somewhere on the internet. But Hyperlink for buttons or objects are usually driven by an Action.

Let's click on the [ ... ] button next to Hyperlink and see what's there.

In the action Measured Data Input, you have all the commands you need to create a new measurement and save changes / write changes. The act of creating a new measurement will create a new record for you to enter data into, and write changes will save that new record to the database.

No code required, just need to utilize the Action section to your benefit.

There's a lot more you can do with actions such as open reports, jump to a page, initialize variables, export to Excel.

Does this help?

[[Ja...]]

Yes, that helps a lot. Now to try and piece it all together.

[[Ja...]]

I am running into a bit of a quagmire here. I notice that when I select the part I want in the program, I get the inspection requirements that i entered, but I cant figure out how to apply the part name/part number/etc. (see pic of areas circled in red below). Normally these are found on the actual measurements, is there a way to write them in the Part itself?

[[Ja...]]

OK, I got it all figured out and working. I added new attributes to Planner under the Part itself and linked that in the report. Got that working great.

I created one part and had no issues with it, everything was reporting correctly. But when i added a second part to Planner, I put everything in (characteristics, etc.) and when I start putting the values in, even at nominal, on the second entry, the stop light goes yellow, and on the third, it goes Red. The indicator bar to the far right shows the values to be green, there is no red arrow indicating hi or low, and the deviation exceeded is blank. I made a short video of it (google drive link below) and a screenshot. If i delete the two entries, the stoplight goes back to green and works fine for the other entries. I even went into Planner, deleted the two characteristics and recreated them and it still does it.

Any ideas?



Google Drive Link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OcRUZU ... sp=sharing

[[La...]]

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Is your Quality Traffic Light set to the behaviour "Current Measurement" or "All measurements"?

The behaviour of the traffic light can be set to represent the current record or a sample size, for example. Current measurement I might use to dictate a pass/fail status of one manual measurement input, where as All Measurements I may use the traffic light to show me whether all parts in a 30 piece cap study are all good. Check your properties for this, it's towards the top.

You can "prove" this behaviour by setting your Measurement Selection to last 1 Measurement and then the quality traffic light will behave the same either way.

In the video, it shows there are more characteristics than 3, which the text box says. Are there non-manual measurement records that the quality traffic light could be representing? If you are looking to represent the pass/fail status of certain characteristics with a traffic light, you may want to apply an Inspection Plan Filter to isolate the group of characteristics you're interested in only.

The other thing to check is if your Quality Traffic Light is set to the behaviour "Tolerance limits".

Let me know if any of this helps. Just some suggestions without seeing your data or PTX file.
Laura

[[Ja...]]

The traffic light is set to "Current Measurement".

These are all Manual measurements that the machinist will be entering.

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Laura, I sent you a DM

So it looks like the traffic light is only reacting to the first characteristic correctly. If I leave the 2nd and 3rd blank, and enter a OOT value for the 4th or beyond, the Table still reports an OOT characteristic, but the light stays green. If I delete the 1st value, and enter a nominal value in another characteristic, the traffic light does not respond at all, but the table reports correctly.



Traffic light issues
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BGSXB4 ... sp=sharing

[[Ja...]]

I just put in a help ticket with Zeiss USA for some assistance on this issue. I will keep everyone apprised.